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Post by Carolinaman on May 21, 2017 12:30:57 GMT -5
Hello,
Over the past 20 or so years, I have owned lots of "surplus pistols". Most are still in my possession because I paid a decent price for them. However, I would not feel "underarmed" carrying either my MAK or TOK right now. Both are boringly reliable and proven.
So, what are your thoughts?
Chris
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Post by CXM on May 21, 2017 13:47:46 GMT -5
I suppose the answer to that is 'depends on the surplus pistol.' Not a very good answer, but still sort of makes sense. Would I feel under armed with a surplus Nambu? You bet your life I would... I would more likely feel in danger from it... A surplus 1911 or High Power? I'd be fine with that... A Luger or a P38? Broom handle Mauser? I rather not carry a LUger, but could live with it if I had to do that... I would be ok with a P38, Radom, Astra 600, various German contract Star (mostly 'B' models) or even a Steyr 1912 (now that I'm fairly familiar with the Steyr I have come to appreciate the beauty of that pistol, and once one gets familiar with it it is really pretty smooth to operate and quite reliable. Then there are various French MAB, MAS and MAC semi autos chambered for a .30 cal cartridge that was originally designed for a Pedersen device on 1903 Springfields... I would be pretty uncomfortable with one of these. French military post war guns in 9x19mm worked reasonably well, but are fairly crudely finished and have dreadful triggers but they work... so I could feel ok with those too. What about the post war, but available as Israeli surplus Beretta 951/Brigadier 9x19 pistols... yes single action, and eight shot mags.. but the finest single action pull I have ever encountered on a military pistol... I would certainly be ok with that. We also see some Beretta 92 variations (mostly butt mag release) as well as a fair number of Beretta model 84 is assorted configurations. Also avaliable in much smaller quantities are FN made model 140s (known here as BDA380) which are Beretta 84s with a fully enclosed slide. Then there is the assorted Russian stuff that flooded the market 15 or 20 years ago... I'll pass on most of that stuff... Yes, it works but the safety of some is in question (pistols without safeties) revolvers whose cyl moves around, newer semi auto pistols in a 9mm cartridge that no one else in the world uses, and whose looks only a commissar could love... Some good stuff did come out of the eastern block... The CZ75s are hard to fault... and a lot of them are showing up as surplus from Israel and whilst in not so good cosmetic condition all I have seen were in good mechanical condition. Whilst, it seems a bit extreme, but I'll note it would be hard to fault the SIG P210s 9x19s that were imported by Top Gun Supply... what is there to say about the P210... it is sublime... Finally, there are 1911s that show up from time to time... the last batch I saw being DFGM 1911s built in Argentian... these are some of the best 1911s clones on the market. So in the final analysis, I could be content with most surplus guns if I had no other choice, and I might choose a few of them even if I did have a choice. Please excuse my ramblings... I have been at a gun show all day, and my feet are tired... V/r Chuck Hello, Over the past 20 or so years, I have owned lots of "surplus pistols". Most are still in my possession because I paid a decent price for them. However, I would feel "underarmed" carrying either my MAK or TOK right now. Both are boringly reliable and proven. So, what are your thoughts? Chris
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Post by sistema1927 on May 21, 2017 13:49:00 GMT -5
No.
Next question.
I have a 1957 vintage pre-Model10 2" .38 on my hip right now, have been known to depend on the BHP for defense, and even my favorite 1911 is a 1952 vintage Sistema1927.
Couple that with an assortment of other surplus weapons and I probably have more "vintage" stuff than modern. I have never felt under-gunned.
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Post by gt40doc on May 21, 2017 14:34:17 GMT -5
I own a few P08 Lugers, and they would be better than nothing, but not my first pick. My 1942 Walther P38 seems to be reliable, but I have not run a lot of ammo through it. On the other hand, I own a 1944 Colt 1911A1 that runs like a Singer Sewing Machine, and would have no qualms on using it.
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Post by BHP940 on May 21, 2017 14:48:38 GMT -5
I have an Izzy I had modified for that exact purpose, as a CC weapon. I have no issues carrying a surplus pistol provided it has been brought back up to snuff and I put enough rounds thru it without issues to be sure.
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Post by jaypee on May 21, 2017 15:02:34 GMT -5
I guess I have to wave the "to each his own" flag here. If I had no other choice I would carry a surplus gun, but throughout my LE career I was a stickler for carrying only the best, and then taking meticulous care of it and its magazines - not being rich but having one heckuva credit rating. To this day, I don't put high round counts on my carry pistols. My primary carry pistol is a CZ 85B, and it has about 500 rounds through it. I run my carry ammo through it once a year to function check it and put all the practice wear on an older CZ 85 I have. When the '85B gets upwards of 1,000 rounds through it, I'll retire it and start over. Paranoid I agree, but having spent 28 years as a cop in California and having lived under the real threat of having to use a gun to defend my life with, I'm not taking any chances. I especially don't like to see novices carrying surplus pistols.
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Post by Vant on May 21, 2017 15:26:37 GMT -5
I would have to say no, I wouldn't feel under armed with of my surplus pistols. I regularly cc my Makarov and even my P-83 from time to time. They both are built like a tank and will shoot all day long. I wouldn't feel under armed unless we get into the whole caliber debate but the pistols themselves are good to go. I even cc my CZ-82 (another 9x18) in my Eric Larsen holster. 12 plus 1 should do the trick. Now I do have a few surplus pistols that I wouldn't cc for one reason or another such as my Tokarev or my CZ-52 but I definitely wouldn't be under armed!
-Vant
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Post by CXM on May 21, 2017 19:25:02 GMT -5
Don't you wish you had a Singer 1911A1 that you could run like a Singer sewing machine... V/r Chuck I own a few P08 Lugers, and they would be better than nothing, but not my first pick. My 1942 Walther P38 seems to be reliable, but I have not run a lot of ammo through it. On the other hand, I own a 1944 Colt 1911A1 that runs like a Singer Sewing Machine, and would have no qualms on using it.
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Post by CXM on May 21, 2017 19:26:45 GMT -5
someone said (possibly Mas Ayoob) that the loudest sound you will ever hear is 'click' when you are expecting 'BANG!' V/r Chuck I guess I have to wave the "to each his own" flag here. If I had no other choice I would carry a surplus gun, but throughout my LE career I was a stickler for carrying only the best, and then taking meticulous care of it and its magazines - not being rich but having one heckuva credit rating. To this day, I don't put high round counts on my carry pistols. My primary carry pistol is a CZ 85B, and it has about 500 rounds through it. I run my carry ammo through it once a year to function check it and put all the practice wear on an older CZ 85 I have. When the '85B gets upwards of 1,000 rounds through it, I'll retire it and start over. Paranoid I agree, but having spent 28 years as a cop in California and having lived under the real threat of having to use a gun to defend my life with, I'm not taking any chances. I especially don't like to see novices carrying surplus pistols.
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Post by vis35 on May 22, 2017 6:31:37 GMT -5
Don't you wish you had a Singer 1911A1 that you could run like a Singer sewing machine... V/r Chuck I own a few P08 Lugers, and they would be better than nothing, but not my first pick. My 1942 Walther P38 seems to be reliable, but I have not run a lot of ammo through it. On the other hand, I own a 1944 Colt 1911A1 that runs like a Singer Sewing Machine, and would have no qualms on using it.
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Post by vis35 on May 22, 2017 6:34:42 GMT -5
This 1985 Israeli Army ( IDF) surplus does run like a Singer sewing machine. Like lots of us, I cleaned it up, added all new springs, new extractor, and gave it a coat of black engine block paint. A great range shooter
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Post by vis35 on May 22, 2017 6:53:26 GMT -5
Don't you wish you had a Singer 1911A1 that you could run like a Singer sewing machine... V/r Chuck
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Post by vis35 on May 22, 2017 6:54:31 GMT -5
You've got that right !!
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Post by CXM on May 22, 2017 10:09:22 GMT -5
Engine block paint? I have never heard of that... it looks very nice and I'd expect it to last well too...
Was it hard to put on?
Thanks
Chuck
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Post by Carolinaman on May 22, 2017 10:47:34 GMT -5
Hello, Well, this is one that I would carry. A Bulgarian "NIB" Makarov that is just a digit in the serial number off from Vant's. Pristine condition and functions flawlessly on the range. Chris
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