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Post by submoa on Jun 10, 2017 19:52:44 GMT -5
Yep, I've noticed that as well Chuck, but very rarely.
Short answer regarding the FEG ring hammer listed on GunParts; (Kassnar/PJK-9HP - SKU:1202640A) fitting: YES, it will physically "fit" within the normal fitting parameters and it is the correct hammer design for most post-war to current BHPs...more on that in a moment.
Ignition parts...especially hammer/sear/safety engagement(s), require a bit of precision so I'm inclined to keep FN parts...sold here by Browning, in FN BHPs. It's certainly true, "take-off" parts CAN save $$$...if the pics are good enough to identify/assess condition, but inspect carefully with an eye toward the possibility there just might be a bubba reason they were taken-off in the first place. With that caveat, I've used...and stockpiled, FN take-off parts for older BHPs with good success, and done the same with FEG parts...for my FEGs.
FWIW, I'm with Jäger; though "Commander" hammer is popular here and we know what's meant, I doubt "Commander" hammer was what DJS was thinking when he chose a C96 like small ring hammer for his Saive/Browning Prototype Model of 1928 and subsequent BHP pistols...20 years before Colt's Commander .
As far as “correct hammer design” mentioned above, though it’s unlikely you’ll run across many of ‘em now, keep in mind that the original BHP hammer assembly was later changed. In ’45 Inglis changed their hammer assembly design to permit easier thumb cocking by moving the position of the hammer strut pivot point up from the 6:30 to 8:30 position…and elongating the hammer strut. FN adopted that Inglis “II”/”2” hammer design themselves circa ‘50. Complete assemblies are interchangeable but the hammer and hammer strut…as individual parts, are not. FEG engineered their P9 clone based upon a combination of elements of the FN Type 62/65 and Type 71/73 and consequently used the post ’50 design hammer assembly.
Mr. Burgs C&S hammer comments are spot-on, though I personally find the “No Bite” ring hammer nibble free for me…but then again I never suffer nip/bite with the current spur hammer and rarely with the factory ring hammer. On the rare occasion I do get pinched it’s because of a really sloppy grip…I wear XL gloves BTW.
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Post by Mister Coffee on Jun 11, 2017 13:43:59 GMT -5
Thank you, gentlemen, for these responses.
To my eye (and that eye is looking only at images on the Internet), the C & S ring hammers look different from stock. I assume that this is because they are "chamfered" to allow for the no-bite result. My interest is in an original Browning ring hammer — for the look as much as the fit and function.
I no longer see any Hi-Power parts link on browning.com. Am I to understand that Browning's parts support is kaput for us?
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Post by CXM on Jun 11, 2017 15:01:09 GMT -5
The C&S rowel hammer is somewhat different from the factory product. The C&S hammer is a bit smaller to prevent hammer bite... The ones I have used work fine, but don't look exactly right... but only someone who was interested in HPs is likely to notice the difference. FWIW Chuck Thank you, gentlemen, for these responses. To my eye (and that eye is looking only at images on the Internet), the C & S ring hammers look different from stock. I assume that this is because they are "chamfered" to allow for the no-bite result. My interest is in an original Browning ring hammer — for the look as much as the fit and function. I no longer see any Hi-Power parts link on browning.com. Am I to understand that Browning's parts support is kaput for us?
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Post by Bob Reed on Jun 12, 2017 9:53:11 GMT -5
Hello Jerry,
I was looking at the FEG Hammer of yours the other day that I checked on the Rockwell Tester and, I don't remember the hardness but, it was SOFT...
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Post by mic214 on Jun 17, 2017 12:27:12 GMT -5
I picked up a ring hammer from a member on another forum for my BHP. It was off of an Argentine made BHP and has a slight plumb coloring to it. I got lucky and the hammer dropped right in with no problems. I had it checked by Don Williams when I stopped by his shop to have him install an ambi safety for me and he said it looked just fine.
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Post by Mister Coffee on Jun 17, 2017 23:51:26 GMT -5
Terrific, mic. I like the way that looks a lot better than the C&S part. Note: The plumb color is discernable on my computer screen. You got a true picture there.
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Post by Mister Coffee on Jun 19, 2017 20:57:51 GMT -5
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Post by Carolinaman on Jun 19, 2017 22:12:04 GMT -5
Hello MC, I saw the same hammers on Numrich Arms website and they were selling for about the same price. Now, I want to pose a "silly question". What was the purpose of the "original" ring hammer? I read years ago that it was designed so that some sort of lanyard could be attached for "cocking" the hammer? Inquiring mind wants to know the original purpose of its design and function on the HP.... Best, Chris
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Post by noglock on Jun 20, 2017 9:30:17 GMT -5
Mister Coffee:
I noted your desire for an original FN part in your original post. I also noted your interest in knowing if all FN Hi Power rowel hammers are the same. I am not certain how C & S hammers became involved in the responses but since they did....
In 1971, FN ceased production of hammers made the old fashioned way a commenced to make them in another fashion. In 2006 I believe FN started shipping pistols with hammers and some other parts made in another fashion. So if one were to include the old geometry strut pin hole hammer there would be four FN BHP rowel hammer variants.
The first C & S BHP hammer was called a Commander hammer. I can only guess this was due to the similarity it shared in appearance with the hammer used on the pistol of the same name.
Some incorrectly refer to all C & S hammers as "no bite." C &S only markets one of there now three BHP hammers as no bite.
The truth of the matter is any hammer on any pistol may "bite" a portion of the anatomy of a particular individual unless a physical barrier prevents contact. If one closely examines the C & S Type II hammer geometry one, or maybe some but not all can see it has at or about the same potential to cause discomfort to operator of a BHP as any BHP hammer coming out of Herstal.
Good luck in your search for the ultimate in a pain free, superior construction, OEM appearance and correct nomenclature hammer!
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Post by wags on Jun 20, 2017 11:54:44 GMT -5
I no longer see any Hi-Power parts link on browning.com. Am I to understand that Browning's parts support is kaput for us? That's an excellent question, at least to me. I bet if you call the Browning 1-800 Service/Parts Department and give them the parts no. you want, they'll have the part in stock and for sale. The other evening I inventoried all my OEM BHP parts stash that I purchased through Utah. I crossed checked my invoices (2011 & 2014) and the parts prices stayed the same. Current Midwest Gun Works prices were the same to, but the smaller springs looked liked they jumped up $2.50 ea. So I'm curious who has what, and at what price? Including the Capitan hammer.......
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Post by Bob Reed on Jun 20, 2017 17:06:32 GMT -5
Hello Wags,
Browning is aware that the HP Parts Sheet got left off their website when they updated it awhile back, but have no-fear, our girl is still supported...
Take care pal, I hope all is well up your way (I'm back in Florida).
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Post by wags on Jun 27, 2017 16:42:16 GMT -5
Today I called the Browning parts department and ordered fifteen parts for the BHP. Prices have not changed as compared to my last 2014 order (or 2011 invoices). Granted, Brownings website does not show support for the BHP. All they ask is what part no. do you want without hesitation even when I said this is for the 9mm Hi-Power pistol. Thought I'd share.
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Post by gt40doc on Jun 27, 2017 17:42:45 GMT -5
Mister Coffee,
As of this morning, Chuntaro has a rowel hammer for sale over on Steve's old forum. I believe that it has been hard chromed. If interested, swing over there and check it out.....if not, then just keep on keepin on!!
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