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Post by Mister Coffee on May 28, 2017 21:11:46 GMT -5
Not sure if this thread should be in Repair & Maintenance rather than here, but here goes. I am thinking about having a ring hammer installed on one of my ZT series Hi-Powers. Here are my questions: 1) I'm only interested in using genuine factory Browning/FN parts. Are all factory ring hammers the same, or did they change over the years? 2) Will a ring hammer drop in to a ZT series gun? If it is going to be a big deal to make the modification, then I'll pass. But if it is simply a matter of swapping a spur hammer for a ring hammer, then "It'll do," as Edmond O'Brien once said. 3) Where can I source a Browning/FN factory ring hammer? 4) Are we supposed to call these things "rowell hammers"? Just checking. Thanks.  |
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Post by huntershooter on May 29, 2017 7:31:50 GMT -5
The "ring" hammer will fit- in place of the spur.
Might contact Browning direct for the part.
Numrich and Sarco usually have old BHP parts in stock.
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Post by jaypee on May 29, 2017 9:14:16 GMT -5
Not sure if this thread should be in Repair & Maintenance rather than here, but here goes. I am thinking about having a ring hammer installed on one of my ZT series Hi-Powers. Here are my questions: 1) I'm only interested in using genuine factory Browning/FN parts. Are all factory ring hammers the same, or did they change over the years? 2) Will a ring hammer drop in to a ZT series gun? If it is going to be a big deal to make the modification, then I'll pass. But if it is simply a matter of swapping a spur hammer for a ring hammer, then "It'll do," as Edmond O'Brien once said. 3) Where can I source a Browning/FN factory ring hammer? 4) Are we supposed to call these things "rowell hammers"? Just checking. Thanks. Your thread is fine here for now Mister Coffee. We may relocate it later, but for now the more important issue is answering your questions. I can't answer most of your questions regarding the mechanical aspects, but you can often find brand new pulloff parts for the BHP in the parts section of GunBroker. I picked up a brand new BHP spur hammer there for $26 a couple of years back. We're working up a glossary of BHP terminology to answer questions like this one MC. I haven't gotten to the rowel/ring hammer issue yet, but for the time being they appear to be commonly understood across the body of users as synonymous, so either is fine and will get your point across. The only term we don't like is: "that thingy you pull back on to shoot the gun."  Jaypee |
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Post by gt40doc on May 29, 2017 15:26:21 GMT -5
I have changed over two(2) of my BHP to rowel/ring hammers. I had no problems with the switchover. I much prefer the rowel hammer. I know that I got one of the hammers from Sarco, and not sure where I got the other....possibly Numrich.
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Post by Mister Coffee on May 29, 2017 19:49:37 GMT -5
Thanks, all. I appreciate they feedback. jaypee: I'll put it in the Repair & Maintenance section next time. Happy to have more input, if anyone else out there wants to post in. Again, thanks. |
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Post by jaypee on May 29, 2017 20:39:17 GMT -5
No sweat, MC. We don't sweat the small stuff.
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Post by eTripper on Jun 9, 2017 22:25:55 GMT -5
I've heard these hammers referred to as both "rowel-type", and "commander-type" hammers. Cylinder & Slide also has these particular items. Didn't see any currently in-stock at Gun Parts Corp. The rowel hammer besides eliminating hammer-bite for some individuals also gives the Hi-Power a more Euro-look to the pistol.
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Post by eTripper on Jun 9, 2017 22:26:25 GMT -5
I've heard these hammers referred to as both "rowel-type", and "commander-type" hammers. Cylinder & Slide also has these particular items. Didn't see any currently in-stock at Gun Parts Corp. The rowel hammer besides eliminating hammer-bite for some individuals also gives the Hi-Power a more Euro-look to the pistol.
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Post by Jäger on Jun 10, 2017 3:41:09 GMT -5
I've heard these hammers referred to as both "rowel-type", and "commander-type" hammers. Given that the Commander variants appeared well after the High Power with it's trademark hammer, if "rowel-type" hammer doesn't satisfy people, they might more accurately refer to them as "High Power-type" hammers. Or classic hammers. But it's not a Commander-type hammer. |
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Post by rob52 on Jun 10, 2017 7:32:29 GMT -5
This reply is both a comment (about source) and a question for jaypee.
Numrich has the FEG/Kassner/KBI rowel hammer in stock for the HiPower clone (I forget the exact FEG designation)--I saw this yesterday.
Since practically every part is interchangeable (with maybe some fine-tuning being required), would the FEG rowel hammer work well in Mister Coffee's Hi Power?
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Post by jaypee on Jun 10, 2017 7:57:44 GMT -5
I have no experience with fitting FEG trigger parts to Browning pistols, rob. But given that these are extremely precise parts involving sear engagement surfaces on the hammer hooks, and given that all gunmakers have manufacturer's tolerances and that FEG tolerances are not always the same as FN tolerances, and given that if it doesn't work with the required degree of precision you could have a trigger malfunction and resultant unintended discharge, I would personally bite the bullet and get the Browning part. I also believe you would reduce the value of any FN built Hi Power by using FEG parts in it.
Now, several years ago I bought a brand new "pulloff" Browning Hi Power hammer from the parts department of GunBroker for $26.00. So there's another out you could look into that provides a brand new part for a much reduced price.
Sorry to discourage, but I'd pass on using the FEG hammer. Hope this helps.
JayPee
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Post by rob52 on Jun 10, 2017 11:27:49 GMT -5
JayPee
No problem from my standpoint. I was just trying to help Mister Coffee out with his search for a rowel hammer. And you know more about the FEG's than I do, that's for sure.
Rob
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Post by CXM on Jun 10, 2017 11:51:21 GMT -5
Has anyone noticed the stock hammers on at least some FEG HPs is on the soft side? My first (circa 1994) KBI Import HP shows a mark on the hammer from the firing pin...
FWIW
Chuck
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Post by jaypee on Jun 10, 2017 14:02:13 GMT -5
No but I had to replace the hammer on a brand new FM90 because the firing pin beat a divot in the hammer in only 100 rounds. I sent it off to a shop to check it for Rockwell hardness and it hadn't been heat treated except on the very surface. Underneath it was soft as butter.
JP
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 15:35:48 GMT -5
A good source of rowell/ring/commander hammers is C&S, as already noted. I'm a little leary of using used/surplus/takeoff parts -whatever you want to call them - especially sears, hammers and triggers - unless a pre-owned part is the only one available. Since most Hi Power parts need some fitting, using a part fitted for another Hi Power could very well make it immediately or eventually unsafe when installed in another.
The C&S rowell hammer is advertised as being a "no bite" hammer, although I found that not to be true, at least on a HP 40, because it certainly chewed me.
C&S offers a "no bite" skeletal hammer, but I have not tried it nor have I seen one in person.
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