|
|
Post by HRFunk on Oct 1, 2018 6:55:40 GMT -5
Good morning fellas! Here's a video to watch while you're sipping you coffee. In this one I'm going a bit tactical (I will never be tacticool!). Some of you may already be familiar with these drills; for those who are not, I hope they are helpful!
Howard
|
|
|
|
Post by Carolinaman on Oct 1, 2018 8:02:29 GMT -5
Hello Howard,
What a excellent video! It was very educational and made me think of some skills that I have not been able to practice due to the safety constraints of the commercial ranges that are around these parts. Your shooting and presentation is excellent.
Keep 'em coming Howard!
Chris
|
|
|
|
Post by HRFunk on Oct 1, 2018 8:20:49 GMT -5
Hello Howard, What a excellent video! It was very educational and made me think of some skills that I have not been able to practice due to the safety constraints of the commercial ranges that are around these parts. Your shooting and presentation is excellent. Keep 'em coming Howard! Chris Thanks Chris! The restrictions on this type of shooting by some ranges was something I meant to mention in the video. This is one of those times where you might want to ask a friendly farmer if you can do some shooting on his back 40. Howard |
|
|
|
Post by sistema1927 on Oct 2, 2018 11:30:05 GMT -5
Excellent video, as always.
Out with the new Tisas Regent last week, since I had an action pistol berm available to me, I spent time doing exactly the same, shooting on the move and engaging multiple targets.
|
|
|
|
Post by CXM on Oct 3, 2018 9:01:15 GMT -5
Really enjoyable video... and useful.., thanks for sharing.
V/r
Chuck
|
|
|
|
Post by mark75h on Oct 3, 2018 12:13:10 GMT -5
Several of his first steps he allowed his legs to cross. The shooting while moving class I took had drills on NOT crossing your legs. Its better to never cross your legs; crossing your legs increses the possibility of tripping over your own feet. Other than that, he was perfect.
|
|
|
|
Post by HRFunk on Oct 3, 2018 12:48:37 GMT -5
Several of his first steps he allowed his legs to cross. The shooting while moving class I took had drills on NOT crossing your legs. Its better to never cross your legs; crossing your legs increses the possibility of tripping over your own feet. Other than that, he was perfect. That was not a mistake. It was a conscious decision. I've been in classes before too where they preach the "never cross your legs" mantra. I basically think that's BS. I have known how to walk since was 18 months old (+/-), and I don't need the tactical gurus to teach me how to do it. I think some of those guys are just parroting what they were taught, and others just like hearing themselves spout the tactical rhetoric. You may, of course, walk however you wish, but I think the more natural your movement is, the LESS likely you are to stumble, trip, etc. Howard |
|
|
|
Post by abninftr on Oct 3, 2018 14:08:54 GMT -5
'...I think some of those guys are just parroting what they were taught, and others just like hearing themselves spout the tactical rhetoric. You may, of course, walk however you wish, but I think the more natural your movement is, the LESS likely you are to stumble, trip, etc.'
Re the two statements above:
1. You are right that 'some of those guys are just parroting'. That is true of all of us and what we've learned. We are the sum of what we have experienced, been taught, witnessed and learned on our own. We, as mentors, weapons instructors or as parents, teach from that base, and teach what we believe is right. How many of us have found ourselves saying things to our children and then thought, 'My dad said that to me when I ____________'
Does it make it true? That depends upon what we decide works for us, doesn't it? For example, some decades ago, Mark Lazky, as ST-5 weapons instructor and I independently came to the conclusions that it was more combat efficient to go straight to failure to feed (FTF or F2F) immediate action (IA) rather than using (and teaching) a three step IA progression beginning with 'tap, rack, bang'. Our reasoning in each case was that FTF solved all possible problems and took less time - time being nearly as valuable as ammunition in a combat scenario. Yet, I know you will find many shooting schools teaching the IA progression that was being taught at Gunsite when they went or worked there.
2. The 'never cross your legs' versus 'natural movement'. Again, that is dependent upon experience and belief. The only real test of what works 'for real' is force on force experience, and that in turn brings us into the realm of force on force training. I don't think many non-LEOs have access to the necessary equipment and facilities to do force on force training. There is force on force training available, and some discussion of it through Suarez International.
|
|
|
|
Post by Carolinaman on Oct 3, 2018 16:10:40 GMT -5
Hello,
Well folks. Based on what I have seen on the internet videos,i.e. car camera or vest camera, of most of the LEO involved shootings all training seems to go out the proverbial window in the real world when involved when it happens. You duck and dodge and do the best to keep yourself from getting wounded or killed. That is a natural instinct. Yes, training does help, but it seems to literally fly out of the window when you are in a "life threatening" situation. Crossing your legs or not is not what your are going to be thinking about. When your brain shifts from the frontal lobe of reasoning, than your more primitive middle brain shifts into the "fight or flight" area, than everything you are taught is tossed out of your scope of reasoning. You are shooting at a moving and ducking target that does not have any relevance to shooting at a static target that most folks learn to shoot at.
Sorry folks, I hate to detract from this thread; but go and watch this stuff yourself. Now, I will take my "bashing" here, but hell; I have thick skin for criticism.
Chris
|
|
|
|
Post by abninftr on Oct 3, 2018 19:42:53 GMT -5
Mate, there will be no verbal floggings for you because you are right. Training does indeed seemingly go out the proverbial window in most real life shooting cases. You, the bloke down the road and I are not the first to notice either.
For clarity, we are not talking about 'primary skills' such things as how to draw and fire a pistol, but the wider expanse of learned tactical skills one uses while engaging hostile targets (how one fights) in a self defence situation.
Fairbairn recognised as early in his career as 1919 that natural, instinctive reactions in combat situations overcame learned reactions. His response was to change the SHP's weapons training by incorporating those natural responses. It will happen in most life and death survival situations unless training has been so extensively ingrained that it supplants one's primordial survival instincts. I would offer that is only achieved with years and years (decades) of constant daily training. Those who have trained in martial arts and full contact sparred extensively know that as they thought through a match afterwards they realised that there were skills and techniques they could have and should have used, but didn't. Why? The obvious answer is they didn't think of them. The OODA loop comes into play here as well as natural instinct, and with that the brain will default to instinct rather than running through a mental pull down menu of reactions to the observed action.
Does this mean training is useless or a waste of time and money? No it doesn't!
The 'why not' is summed up in one word - preparedness. In fact, it means we should train more, and incorporate more variation, difficulty and physical and mental stress into our training. It teaches, and prepares us to use, physical skills. In as sense, 'filling our too box' so that we know and are able to employ appropriate responses. Adding a stress component helps us deal with the hormonal dump as well as the physical exertion that comes during a life threatening experience.
|
|
