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Post by ToddSig on Nov 22, 2017 8:26:50 GMT -5
I am seeing more reports that surplus US Army 1911s will soon be coming to market. Anyone know how the process will work or when they will be offered? Will dealers buy batches and then sell like surplus FNs?
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Post by Carolinaman on Nov 22, 2017 9:24:41 GMT -5
Hello Todd,
I am guessing that if things run their course that they will be offered through the Civilian Marksmanship Program where they will be graded and sold.
Any thoughts folks?
Chris
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Post by craig on Nov 22, 2017 10:14:50 GMT -5
Hello Todd, I am guessing that if things run their course that they will be offered through the Civilian Marksmanship Program where they will be graded and sold. Any thoughts folks? Chris I have looked into the CMP, & found that some proof is needed that you belong to an approved club or organization. I'm unclear if only NRA membership is adequate. Where I live there is only 1 shooting club, & it is very expensive, snooty, & has a waiting list to join. It would be great IF my local smith/dealer could start a "club" for his loyal customers. Last time there was a bunch of arms sold through CMP, I read that they were not great bargains. No senior discounts there.
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Post by CXM on Nov 22, 2017 10:28:18 GMT -5
The Civilian Marksmanship Program ( www.odcmp.com ) is expecting to receive 1911s as a result of President Trump's order. This is the last information I heard. The shipments will likely be around 10,000 the first year... which is, in all probability to say quite a few less than the demand for them. Expect the run of the mill guns to sell for $1000 or more... collectable guns for more than that. Ultimately I think there could be as many as 200,000 of the 1911s. Most if not all of them will have been arsenal rebuilt at least once and possibly more. Parts get interchanged during rebuild so getting a gun with all original factory parts is pretty unlikely. A lot of the rebuilds at Anniston Arsenal after WWII are likely to have new barrels made by contractors. The ODCMP site is down at the moment... but there was a post there about 1911s. FWIW Chuck |
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Post by ruber on Nov 22, 2017 11:12:08 GMT -5
Have you been on The CMP forum? Lots of discussion, speculation, and a few tidbits of proposed plans.
Last time I purchased from CMP, there were several organizations that qualified (as well as having a ffl03), not just private clubs. Checking out the forum might give some good options. Education is a big part of their mission, finding an affiliate to give some cash to in order to purchase from them can be well worth while.
While purchases can be hit or miss, every gun I bought from them was a solid value. There were always cheaper options, but all would have required work/parts. They have needed quite a lot of cleaning, but were all good to go right out of the box.
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Post by ToddSig on Nov 22, 2017 11:45:41 GMT -5
Thanks on the CMP. I found another link for the CMP which is working at thecmp.org/ and thecmp.org/cmp_sales/ for sales. I just added my name to their mailing list for sales updates. So I take it the CMP will directly sell the 1911s to collectors through their website estore. |
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Post by ruber on Nov 22, 2017 12:46:21 GMT -5
Last time I purchased from them, there was paperwork involved. It wouldn’t hurt to get the forms downloaded and see what you need. I was a volunteer RO at a range that had youth programs, so no ffl license of any kind, etc., so I needed to have my paperwork notarized. But that was when the gun was mailed to your home directly (even in CA).
The process for handguns may be totally different. Again, I’d suggest at least keeping an eye on the forum, I’ll see messages from staff on their before I get the e-mail updates.
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Post by CXM on Nov 22, 2017 16:32:21 GMT -5
Once you have become a CMP member you stay a member so you don't have to renew except for your proof of membership in an affiliated club. The Glock SSF is an afiliate. I think they will take a lot of stuff for proof of active participation such as a CHL/CWL. There are lots of member clubs as well. The information is all on the site.
Looking at the site today, they say they have completed all the law's requirements for the 1911s and are awaiting the military's next step.
FWIW
Chuck
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Post by ToddSig on Dec 4, 2017 20:11:56 GMT -5
Just received an email from the CMP on preliminary sales decisions on the surplus 1911s, from Mark Johnson, Chief Operating Officer
Civilian Marksmanship Program.
To all CMP constituents:
The CMP Board of Directors has discussed at length how the sales of 1911s would be handled, if the CMP were to ever receive them from the United States Army.
Some preliminary decisions:
1. Decisions concerning the grade and pricing of the 1911s will not be made until inspection has occurred of a substantial quantity which will take an estimated 150 days post receipt.
2. All laws pertaining to the sale of 1911s by CMP will be strictly obeyed.
3. Potential purchasers will have to provide to CMP a new set of documents exhibiting: 1) proof of U.S. Citizenship, 2) proof of membership in a CMP affiliated club, 3) proof of participation in a marksmanship activity, 4) a new form 2A with notary, 5) successful completion of a NICS background check, 6) a signed copy of the 01 Federal Firearms License in which the 1911 will be transferred to.
4. The CMP customer will be required to complete a form 4473 in person and successfully complete another NICS check by the recipient FFL holder before the pistol can be transferred.
5. Qualified CMP customer will only be allowed to purchase one 1911 per calendar year.
6. No 1911s available in the CMP stores, or on line, only mail order sales.
7. CMP will set the date in which it will accept orders for the 1911s. The date will be posted to the world.
8. Orders will only be accepted via mail order delivery.
9. Orders will only be accepted post marked on the date or after, no early orders.
10. Once CMP receives 10,000 orders, customer names will be loaded into the Random Number Generator.
11. The Random Number Generator will provide a list of names in sequence order through a random picking process to CMP.
12. Customers will be contacted in the sequence provided by the Random Number Generator.
13. When the customer is contacted a list of 1911 grades and pricing options that are available will be offered for selection of one.
14. As CMP proceeds down the sequenced list less grade and pricing options will be available. Again, this done completely random.
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Post by ruber on Dec 4, 2017 20:19:10 GMT -5
Just about to post that here too. Thanks!
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Post by CXM on Dec 5, 2017 9:17:02 GMT -5
Interesting the ODCMP will not ship 1911s directly to members as they have done all the other guns they sold...
V/r
Chuck
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Post by ruber on Dec 5, 2017 12:32:28 GMT -5
New e-mail from them this morning with this note:
“Note: 1911 type pistols purchased from CMP cannot be transferred to 03 FFL (curio and relic) license. BATF and the United States Army prefer the second background check be performed by a "store front" FFL dealer. Each customer purchasing a 1911 type pistol from CMP will be subjected to two NICS background checks, one performed by CMP and the other performed by the FFL dealer the pistol is being shipped to.”
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Post by gt40doc on Dec 5, 2017 14:48:48 GMT -5
That seems like a lot of hoops to jump through, but if one wants one bad enough, they will do it. These 1911s hold no interest for me, as I already own two(1914, and 1944) models. Good luck to those folks that want to purchase one.
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Post by CXM on Dec 5, 2017 15:18:13 GMT -5
I wonder how many checks would come back different a couple of days later? V/r Chuck New e-mail from them this morning with this note: “Note: 1911 type pistols purchased from CMP cannot be transferred to 03 FFL (curio and relic) license. BATF and the United States Army prefer the second background check be performed by a "store front" FFL dealer. Each customer purchasing a 1911 type pistol from CMP will be subjected to two NICS background checks, one performed by CMP and the other performed by the FFL dealer the pistol is being shipped to.” |
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Post by Carolinaman on Dec 7, 2017 12:24:51 GMT -5
Hello,
I know what I am about to state is "heresy" among 1911 historians, but I can already to the LGS and buy a decent 1911 for well under a Grand and NIB condition. I can also take a "beater" and bring it back to "like new" functioning. I would love to own a US Army marked 1911, but not at the prices that I have seen forecast on the internet of 1K plus.... On top of that, the CMP is making it a major PITA to acquire one....
Chris
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