Any of you pistoleros play with 10mm ?

[thomgetch]

Interested in seeing what 10mm you folks play with. These are mine. A sig 220-10 and a Glock 40 long slide. Both are awesome but the sig is my favorite just wish it had the capacity of the Glock. I don't shoot them as often as I would like as ammo is more costly but if I'm out in the wilds one of these are on my hip.

[ruber]

Very nice! I'd like to pick up one of those Sigs if I had the cash.

Just a G20 here, but thoroughly enjoy it. It is running Zev internals, and I shoot handloads almost exclusively. Very impressed with its followup shots, would love to try out the 40.

[thomgetch]

Aug 12, 2017 20:07:00 GMT -5 ruber said:

Very nice! I'd like to pick up one of those Sigs if I had the cash.

Just a G20 here, but thoroughly enjoy it. It is running Zev internals, and I shoot handloads almost exclusively. Very impressed with its followup shots, would love to try out the 40.

I lucked out on the sig got it used but never fired for half retail. Just luck of the draw. The G40 is very good but unless you hunt with it the long slide is more unwieldy. I find the shorter slide of the sig handles better for me. I think the g20 would be perfect.

[ruber]

Ya, the G20 is a tool, a good one at that, but all business. I would like to get a 10mm that is more on the fun side, a long slide or 1911 or Tangfolio maybe.

We need Jäger and Chuntaro for this thread too ...

[rock185]

  I still play a little with the caliber. I've owned and reloaded the 10MM as long as there have been 10MM pistols and reloading dies.    Starting with the Bren Ten, I've had a succession of 10MM pistols and revolvers.  One of the relative few I haven't had, is the SIG.  Due to a bum wrist, I don't shoot the 10 much anymore, but still have one 10MM, a S&W 1026.  




                                                                            

[CXM]

I have a couple... A S&W 1086 and A Glock...

However I seldom shoot one... I have found it is not much fun... not that the guns are not fun, but the fact I worry about where the expensive brass going into odd places when I shoot them... That I suppose, is the down side of being a re-loader...

I need to get out and shoot them some...

V/r

Chuck

[thomgetch]

Rock and chuck, those s&w 1086 look very cool. Heard of them but never shot one. Some day, maybe.

Ruber, I hear ya on interesting and fun guns, a weakness of mine. I've been lusting over a quality pistol caliber carbine, maybe a sig as they are getting really popular for steel challenge and action shooting.

[Poohgyrr]

I've only had a G20 for a year or so, & haven't put many rounds through it. It'll be a keeper as long as I can still shoot it, and should make it onto my carry list in a year or so. A Ruger Blackhawk 38-40/10MM came home about the same time, and still hasn't been fired. Full power 10MM out of an auto loader is not a bad thing to have. And it might serve as a bigger brother to a 40S&W if any happen to be around.

The big S&W forum had some great information on the S&W 10MMs & the FBI pistols, back before several gun forums were hacked. I believe most of that info was never recovered; which is tragic.

I think it's another round that really should be much more popular than it is.

[ruber]

Aug 19, 2017 23:18:35 GMT -5 Poohgyrr said:

I think it's another round that really should be much more popular than it is.

It's popularity seems to come and go in waves, at least around here. Seems every once in a while an ammo manufacturer will release a 10mm thats decent and cheap, gets people hooked, then jacks up the prices.

A couple years back, a local shop had the hsm 10mm in new starline brass for $20 for 50. That was cheaper than I could get the brass alone and their loads were light enough you could still get a decent heavy handload out of it.

[rob52]

I have a Delta Elite, lightly customized to include a ramped barrel, and a Sig P220SAO. I enjoy both of them and have shot factory to "designer" ammo. However, the Sig is such a beefy pistol that the recoil is greatly tempered to something similar to shooting a 1911 with 45 ammo. Also, the Sig is heavy enough that I prefer to carry the Delta Elite when I am walking on my property.

[noglock]

I am convinced shooters comments have been responsible for the lack of 10mm popularity. Comments about excessive recoil and the high cost of factory ammunition are those to which I refer..

Who does not have a fondness, or at least an appreciation, for a 1911 in .45 auto? Well since I am unable to put a 1911 in 10mm and .45 auto in your hands with a variety of ammunition; I will use the next best thing: the old IPSC power factor.

I think the old standard velocity for .45 auto 230 ball velocity was 850 fps. I now find velocity figures ranging from 830 to 890. Let us use the 850 number. The 850 number works out to a power factor of 191. Standard 10mm ball gives us a power factor of 171. Apples to oranges you say? 185 grain .45 auto gives us a power factor of 175 when thrown at 950 fps. That looks an awful lot like apples to apples to me.

Let us examine a self defense load comparison. We can probably agree Speer Gold Dot is a popular .45 auto SD selection. In the .185 grain weight it moves at a published velocity of 1050 fps. The Hornady 180 grain SD 10mm I buy travels at a published 1077 fps. In this case, it is not even required to compute the power factor to see we are talking a virtual dead heat.

The last 1000 rounds 10mm ball I purchased cost me the same money as the last 1000 rounds of .45 auto ball. However, that takes us back to the apples to oranges kind of felt recoil comparison of 180 grain 10mm vs 230 grain forty-five.. I should not have to tell you which is more pleasant to shoot in my hands for the same money.

Now I have omitted such entries as Buffalo Bore, Underwood and Corbon in 10mm. You can look at those numbers if you like. However, in .45 auto you should use .45 auto plus P numbers to keep things apples to apples.

[thomgetch]

No Glock, interesting thoughts and I am in agreement with your comments. My purpose for 10mm is for outdoors or woods carry against critters, bear, moose etc. and possibly hunting in an emergency situation. Also I don't reload so I'm limited to commercial ammo. Of that ammo, buffalo bore and underwood primarily. Defense ranges 15/20 yards. Key considerations, accuracy in first shot, follow up shots, ability to penetrate skull and bone, penetration. I look for any advantage I can reasonably find. I am NOT a ballistics guru and just working on my experience and research.

BB 45 super 255 gr HC, 655 ft lbs. I have shot this in my springer full sized 1911, beefed up to handle and the recoil is significant impacting follow on shot capabilities, for me. Could it do the,job, you betcha.

Underwood 10mm penetrator, 115 gr, 1700fps, 780 ft lbs, 18 inch penetration. Recoil is mild allowing for quick follow up shots, massive wound channel and penetration. 15 rounds in the Glock, 9 rounds in the sig.

I knew a fellow that took down a large black bear in a DLP situation with two hits from a 45. No doubt the right 45 load can do the job. I could carry a 50 cal S&W as well but I know I would likely get one shoot off on fast moving bear and if that missed a vital area, well that's it. I prefer having the ability to get off 3 or 4 reasonably aimed shots in the same time from the 10mm I have. Is that sound logic? Who knows and I hope I never have to find out.

Nothing I have said here in any way challenges your above discussion. Just personal preference.

Regards
Thom

[HRFunk]

Since photobucket isn't letting me post photos any more, you'll have to settle for a video of my 1076. This video is from a couple of years ago, and you might notice both my presentation and my appearance have changed some. Hopefully for the better!

Howard