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Post by CXM on May 24, 2017 9:02:25 GMT -5
I don't recall exact prices, but if memory serves me the frame was over a grand. FWIW Chuck Does anyone remember how much the FAMCO frames and slides were selling for?
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Post by pjk9hp on Jul 8, 2017 9:08:58 GMT -5
I was just browsing American Handgunner online and came across Massad Ayoob's article "Hi-Power Shooting" which started "...In the first quarter of 2017, a source at Browning confirmed the rumor the company was discontinuing their Hi-Power pistol, a flagship of the Browning/FN marques since 1935." I was looking for a date as to when the article was written but I would safely assumed that it's after Arpil 2017. americanhandgunner.com/hi-power-shootings/
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Post by warbird1 on Jul 8, 2017 13:46:11 GMT -5
As to the quality of Turkish made pistols I own one from Girsan, one from Stoeger and one made by Canik and they are all well made. Fit and finish is outstanding. I would not be afraid to buy a Turkish made Hi Power at all.
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Post by Carolinaman on Jul 8, 2017 14:06:49 GMT -5
Hello Sir, I definitely agree on your points. Girsan makes some very excellent quality pistols! As to the quality of Turkish made pistols I own one from Girsan, one from Stoeger and one made by Canik and they are all well made. Fit and finish is outstanding. I would not be afraid to buy a Turkish made Hi Power at all. Now if they do make/export a hi power, than that would be a pistol that I would definitely consider buying without reservation.... I've shot their Canik and I can tell you that the pistol is very reliable and accurate. Best, Chris
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Post by Mister Coffee on Jul 9, 2017 0:31:01 GMT -5
I've shot their Canik and I can tell you that the pistol is very reliable and accurate. Best, Chris You've shot the Canik Hi-Power? Tell us more, sir.
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Post by pjk9hp on Jul 9, 2017 1:24:18 GMT -5
I've shot their Canik and I can tell you that the pistol is very reliable and accurate. Best, Chris You've shot the Canik Hi-Power? Tell us more, sir. Yes, please! Does it have the dreaded gritty trigger feel?
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Post by Carolinaman on Jul 9, 2017 8:09:12 GMT -5
Hello Folks,
I am sorry to have mislead you but the Canik pistol I shot was their TP-9 that Vant had purchased... I was commenting on the quality of Canik pistols.
Best,
Chris
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Post by mrbill on Jul 9, 2017 10:58:08 GMT -5
There is a lot of truth in what you say about the 'young' guys... Still, every time I let one of that group shoot a HP at the range they are always amazed and impressed... part of the problem is poor marketing by Browning and part, as you say, price... They list for over a grand now... not something every kid can afford... while used plastic guns are available in the $300-400 range. The kids I let shoot a HP are uniformly surprised at the 15 round magazine... they were sure only 'modern' guns have high capacity magazines... A good moderately priced HP would be a real boost to the HP world... and I think there is still hope... the 1911 sells very well... still... V/r Chuck This certainly makes sense to me... The Turkish 1911s can often be had for around $350... if they can market a good HP for around $400 I think it will be a success in the market place... I don't think it will be a threat to S&W or Glock, but I think it will be successful. FWIW Chuck I recently sold my first NEW Browning Hi Power Standard, a beautiful blued pistol with walnut stocks - my dealer cost was $839 delivered. With a 10% markup, it sold for $923 +tax. It was quite a handsome handgun and the customer was very happy with it, but one almost has to be a well-off retired guy (as he is) to be able to spend that kind of money. A well-made NIB $400 Hi Power clone from Turkey or the Phillipines would certainly sell (just like their 'entry level' 1911s do now) and I for one would buy it, but it does seem that it would be hard to rack up significant sales numbers over time. Steel firearms have a definite appeal to many of us, but the vast majority of under 40 year old purchasers I have seen are much bigger fans of the plastic pistol universe. I have sold a number of modestly priced RIA models to guys that "always wanted a 1911", but the "always wanted a Hi Power" crowd would appear to be a smaller niche market and the competition from all the surplus middle east imports would make marketing even a $400 Hi Power tough. It is be something I would like to see, though ...
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Post by pjk9hp on Jul 9, 2017 12:45:33 GMT -5
There is a lot of truth in what you say about the 'young' guys... Still, every time I let one of that group shoot a HP at the range they are always amazed and impressed... part of the problem is poor marketing by Browning and part, as you say, price... They list for over a grand now... not something every kid can afford... while used plastic guns are available in the $300-400 range. The kids I let shoot a HP are uniformly surprised at the 15 round magazine... they were sure only 'modern' guns have high capacity magazines... A good moderately priced HP would be a real boost to the HP world... and I think there is still hope... the 1911 sells very well... still... V/r Chuck This certainly makes sense to me... The Turkish 1911s can often be had for around $350... if they can market a good HP for around $400 I think it will be a success in the market place... I don't think it will be a threat to S&W or Glock, but I think it will be successful. FWIW Chuck I recently sold my first NEW Browning Hi Power Standard, a beautiful blued pistol with walnut stocks - my dealer cost was $839 delivered. With a 10% markup, it sold for $923 +tax. It was quite a handsome handgun and the customer was very happy with it, but one almost has to be a well-off retired guy (as he is) to be able to spend that kind of money. A well-made NIB $400 Hi Power clone from Turkey or the Phillipines would certainly sell (just like their 'entry level' 1911s do now) and I for one would buy it, but it does seem that it would be hard to rack up significant sales numbers over time. Steel firearms have a definite appeal to many of us, but the vast majority of under 40 year old purchasers I have seen are much bigger fans of the plastic pistol universe. I have sold a number of modestly priced RIA models to guys that "always wanted a 1911", but the "always wanted a Hi Power" crowd would appear to be a smaller niche market and the competition from all the surplus middle east imports would make marketing even a $400 Hi Power tough. It is be something I would like to see, though ... mrbill, some clarification if you don't mind. There has never been a Hi-Power clone made in the Philippines. If you are referring to the Charles Daly, it's components were made by FEG. Final machining up to assembly done by Dan Wesson then Magnum Research. Regards...
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Post by che on Jul 14, 2017 11:50:27 GMT -5
I think Mr Bill is speaking about talk on other forums that Armscor (Philippines) which makes several nice copies including 1911s may venture into the High Power market. To get a $400 Hi Power on the market you will need to make it in the Philippines.
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Post by jaypee on Jul 14, 2017 14:14:49 GMT -5
Hey, the more the merrier. If we can get a good quality clone on the market for a reasonable price, it can only improve the popularity of the Hi Power hobby. I agree with Mr. Bill that it prolly won't sell like a plastimatic wondergun, but given the way the importers were able to sell huge numbers of FEG Hi Powers I think the dealers could still make a decent profit on them. Big IMHO's.
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Post by sistema1927 on Jul 14, 2017 16:01:00 GMT -5
I think Mr Bill is speaking about talk on other forums that Armscor (Philippines) which makes several nice copies including 1911s may venture into the High Power market. To get a $400 Hi Power on the market you will need to make it in the Philippines. If you could overcome the import hurdles you might be able to get $200 Hi Powers from the Khyber Pass.
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Post by CXM on Jul 15, 2017 8:15:11 GMT -5
If someone would reascend the Klinton import ban on Chinese firearms we could get some of the Chinese made HPs... FWIW Chuck I think Mr Bill is speaking about talk on other forums that Armscor (Philippines) which makes several nice copies including 1911s may venture into the High Power market. To get a $400 Hi Power on the market you will need to make it in the Philippines. If you could overcome the import hurdles you might be able to get $200 Hi Powers from the Khyber Pass.
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Post by CXM on Jul 27, 2017 8:30:46 GMT -5
Recently with all the talk about FN discontinuing the High Power I have been thinking about if FN is really serious this time... they have announced the end of the HP before but demand kept in alive...
I think the thing that put an awful lot of HPs in the hands of shooters also had a major impact on HP sales... that being the flood of surplus Israeli HPs that has hit the used marked in the past 5-6 years ago... somewhat like the influx of more than 40,000 ex German police SIG P6 (P225) pistols torpedoed sales of the SIG P225 for some years.
Dealers tell me new HPs are very hard to sell... largely because of the high price of the guns... List for a basic HP now exceeds $1,100!!! I know they are labor intensive to build as well as using more high price materials than the plastic guns... BUT... I can't see how they can compete with the plastic guns in a marked of young shooters who have never even seen a HP much less shot one... they simply have no appreciation of the HP... most never will.
FN has announced the demise of the HP before, but everyone seems to think this time they really have ended production... Everything considered I would not be surprised if it really is the end of the HP this time...
V/r
Chuck
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Post by craig on Jul 28, 2017 9:59:32 GMT -5
RE: Tisas ZIG 14 Hi Power Clone. Zenith Firearms is the US Importer of Tisas pistols. I have been pestering them for a year to place a pre - order. Zenith originally said they would be here this summer - but when I enquired recently, they informed me that that "production of the Zig 14 has been discontinued by Tisas, in order to fill other Military & Police orders" If you lived in Canada, you might obtain one branded as a CANUK that are available there. None have been - or will be imported to the USA in the immediate future.
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