Mouse guns?

[huntershooter]

Admittedly they have their place.

There are occasions when I have a command performance to appear at some social function which requires wearing something other than hiking shorts or jeans.
Momma san can be a stickler at "observing the amenities". I confess to having to refer to a printed sheet to remember how to tie a "Full Windsor" knot.

I have not found a combination of clothing/leather that allows discreet, comfortable carry of a P-35/1911 for hours on end- short of buying an entire new wardrobe of "dress clothing".

I used to shoot NRA "Action Pistol" and PPC.
These disciplines were dominated by "K"/"L" frame revolvers. I was quite adept at shooting double action triggers.

I decided to try a Kahr micro pistol in 9mm. The Kahr is a double action (only), no safety, pistol that has a grip angle quite like a 1911/P-35- unlike a Grock.
The tiny, 3" barrel, plastic frame pistol is actually fairly easily concealed.
I settled on standard pressure, 115 gr. Gold Dots as carry ammo. This shoots 2"+- at 15 yds. and chrono'd at a surprising 1230 FPS average.
Reasonably accurate and quick hits are fairly simple to 20 yds or so.
I shot the pistol from the the bench at 20 yds and installed a Tritium FS of appropriate height- that shoots to the center of the tritium dot at that distance.

Wes Dahl (Privateer Leather") custom made a high ride, "Askin Avenger" style holster and mag pouches for me.

I don't feel particularly "under gunned" with it.

[Jäger]

Jun 23, 2017 5:48:31 GMT -5 huntershooter said:

Admittedly they have their place.

There are occasions when I have a command performance to appear at some social function which requires wearing something other than hiking shorts or jeans.
Momma san can be a stickler at "observing the amenities". I confess to having to refer to a printed sheet to remember how to tie a "Full Windsor" knot.

Windsor knot?  Four in hand?  I regard those who cannot tie an actual bow tie (as opposed to those hook and loop cheater rigs that always hang loose and askew, telling everyone you are an unschooled savage) as men whose training was incomplete.  If a British poofter like James Bond can tie a bow tie, why can't you?  How can you possibly properly appear in mess dress for a night of scotch drinking, excellent cigars, fine centuries old silver on the table, tales of battles fought and absent comrades, without proper attire?  Carharrt shorts and muscle shirts around the house, maybe sweats and a kangaroo sweater when it's cooler.  But some things in life demand the finer things - isn't that why you're here on the High Power forum instead of Glock Talk or whatever it is called.

I looked at Kahrs like yours quite often; never actually met anyone who had one and who would let me try it.  They were tempting, but I never pulled the trigger because I didn't like the trigger of the ones I tried at shops and gun shows.  Perhaps I was too picky.

For me at the moment, it's borrowing back the Shield that the Residential Sergeant Major expropriated as hers.  I think it might be a little bit bigger than your Kahr, but not by very much.  It stores into a bellyband style holster very nicely indeed (no, I am not going to post a picture with my shirt off showing that; who wants to see a pic of somebody whose body resembles that of a shaved bear?).  One thing I do like about itty bitty pistols is that for once you don't have to have the weight around your belt.

So, my contribution to the mouse gun gallery:

[huntershooter]

Firearms are tools; you need the correct one for the job at hand. (Wouldn't use a framing hammer or rigging ax to set a trim nail in a cabinet)
There is a place for "mouse guns" in my world, but thankfully not often.

[Jäger]

Jun 23, 2017 12:15:38 GMT -5 huntershooter said:

Firearms are tools; you need the correct one for the job at hand. (Wouldn't use a framing hammer or rigging ax to set a trim nail in a cabinet)
There is a place for "mouse guns" in my world, but thankfully not often.

Yeah, but when either a Glock or a High Power will correctly take care of the job at hand, which one do you choose??

My main whine about pocket pistols is you simply can't shoot them as accurately with that itty bitty sight radius.  Then you have to give your head a shake and ask how much sight radius you need at ten yards.

I can see why guys abandon their High Powers, 1911s, etc. in favour of a Shield, or a Nano, or a Glock G<whatever number> for less aggravation and more convenience.  I'm just not there yet.  Especially when I live in a state where I can not only open carry, but the only people who seem to notice are tourists.  Nobody else even gives you a second look, much less cares.  Open carry is a lot more comfortable.

Those are pretty impressive ballistics out of that short little barrel - Speer advertises 1210 fps out of a 4" barrel for their standard version, 1300 fps for their +P+ variety.  Kahr is getting almost that much velocity out of a much shorter barrel.  I wonder if they're doing something with their short barrels to minimize friction i.e. very slightly larger land and groove dimensions?  2" groups at 15 yards is just as impressive performance as well - I'd consider that a real confidence booster.  When it gets right down to it, ballistics-wise, you really aren't losing anything meaningful with that Kahr.

I should probably follow your example and talk to Wes about making my wife one of his holsters with a few additional features.  Very well thought out setup you have there.

[gt40doc]

I agree that in my World, there is definitely a place for mouse guns. This time of the year in So. Az., one wears as few of clothes as possible......shorts and a tee shirt is common attire for me. I usually don't wear a belt with said shorts, so a OWB holster is out of the question, and never could get comfortable with IWB holsters/carry. I have found a wallet holster gets the job done for me. When I pick up my cell phone, I put my weapon in my hip pocket, and out the door I go. I usually don't think about it again until I get home.


I tried three (3) times to make friends with a Kahr handgun, but was unsuccessful!! They just don't work for me. I have friends that swear by them.....I swear AT them!! We all find what works best for us, and stick with it.

[Carolinaman]

Hello Folks,

Well, I sold off my last of many pocket pistols a month ago. I have pocket carried Kel-Tec's, Kahrs and others for many years. I've decided on the G-19 Gen 4 as my primary "non-mouse" gun and it will fit the bill. Oddly, the most accurate "pocket handgun" that I have carried was the Kel-Tec P-32? Really horrific sights, but decent trigger design and shot to point of aim. The handgun I sold last was the Gen 4 G-43. It's really big and block IMHO for pocket carry and that is why I am sticking with the larger G-19 for holster carry.

Chris

[sistema1927]

I haven't worn a cloth neck tie in decades. Here in NM the Bolo tie is official formal neckware for men.

At the same time, I normally carry a Kahr PM9 w/ CT laser in a pocket holster about 95% of the time. If I am forced to wear a lightweight suit with flimsy pockets (also with the bolo tie) I then downgrade to a KT P32 since even the PM9 pulls the pockets down too much.

[craig]

Here are a few of my Pocket Pistols that qualify as Mouse Guns. Nothing wrong with old technology especially when its durable, works reliably, & is affordable.

Iver Johnson TP-22, H&R snub nose Top Break 9 shot 22, Polish (Makarov) P-64

[trooper]

The only mouse gun I own and my back up for over twenty years.

[ruber]

I like that top break 22 and that older K9!

My first DA revolver might not qualify as a mouse gun since it is a .38, but my Police Bulldog sure was handy to carry and with light .38s was plenty accurate for opportunistically taking small game at short distances while hiking/camping.


Some properties I like to frequent now require rimfire only... so I picked up this 22 mag. No single action option like the bulldog, but with care, can be pretty accurate at the same distances.

[craig]

The Only 38 I now own is this 5 shot, H&R DEFENDER Top Break in 38 S&W. Similar size to my 22 snub nose. I love the H&R Top Breaks.