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Post by ToddSig on Jun 12, 2017 16:36:33 GMT -5
Yesterday afternoon I am looking through postings on a local gun board and a Mauser 80 SA is listed, and the seller is local. I inquire and ask for more details on condition. We decide to meet and of course I buy the Mauser even though the gun fund is pretty much depleted, actually now in the red. Tell my wife what I usually do, I am making a trade, which is sort of true as I am trading dollars. I am pleased with the purchase, some minor issues, the magazine is rubbing against the sear spring, so will have that changed out. Grips were in rough shape, so immediately switched them out with an FEG set I had. It had a lanyard post, but it has been removed. Mag safety has been removed and it came with one of those repro flap holsters with mag holder. Looking at the slide and barrel, there are three similar marks, looks like a German Eagle, and some letter/numbers, perhaps 135. The mark is on the barrel above the serial number, on the slide above the slide stop and the rear of the slide behind the slide cuts above the safety. They are hard to see and focus on and were poorly stamped, but definitely a German Eagle. I think Jaypee once stated on another forum that some of the FEG/Mausers were ordered for German police. Could this be one of them? Any ideas on what these mark might be or are they familiar to anyone? They are not on my other FEG/Mauser.      |
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Post by submoa on Jun 12, 2017 23:25:49 GMT -5
Apparently a previous...and unscrupulous, owner intended to pass that pistol off as a wartime...yes WWII, German P640b...produced by Mauser    . WaA135 was the late war Mauser/Oberndorf Waffenamt.
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Post by ToddSig on Jun 13, 2017 6:34:21 GMT -5
Thanks Submoa. I was thinking the marks looked familiar, but figured they were some German variant of a later similar looking mark for the newer, 1991 gun. Certainly will make for a good conversation piece at the range,
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Post by submoa on Jun 13, 2017 8:24:53 GMT -5
Thanks Submoa. I was thinking the marks looked familiar, but figured they were some German variant of a later similar looking mark for the newer, 1991 gun. Certainly will make for a good conversation piece at the range,
Sure Todd; the bogus stamps don't affect how your new joy will shoot  ...and that's what you bought it for right  ? Enjoy it  ...
BTW, the stamp at the left trigger guard root is totally legit...it's the Hungarian/FEG Proof normally found on the FEG produced Mauser-Werke M80SA pistols.
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Post by CXM on Jun 13, 2017 9:03:50 GMT -5
About 15 years ago there were fake WaA stamps on the market and I think WaA135 was one of those offered.
Whom ever marked the gun went to a lot of trouble... it looks as though it was blued after the stamps were applied...
Still it is an interesting gun and should be fine to shoot...
Someone who is interested in fake guns probably would pay a small premium for your gun.
FWIW
Chuck
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Post by submoa on Jun 13, 2017 11:32:04 GMT -5
About 15 years ago there were fake WaA stamps on the market and I think WaA135 was one of those offered. Whom ever marked the gun went to a lot of trouble... it looks as though it was blued after the stamps were applied... Still it is an interesting gun and should be fine to shoot... Someone who is interested in fake guns probably would pay a small premium for your gun. FWIW Chuck
And still offered Chuck :
www.waffenamt-shop.com/en/6-stamps-for-german-weapons-period-to-1945-
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Post by ToddSig on Jun 13, 2017 14:58:20 GMT -5
Thanks for the additional info on the stamps and marks on the Mauser. Interesting that you can buy the stamps online, but I guess you can find almost anything online today. I wonder how many WWII Hi Powers being sold might be intentionally misrepresented in this manner.
Re the stamps on my Mauser, you would think as a forger you would get the correct era weapon and also place them in proper areas of the gun. Not very smart.
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Post by CXM on Jun 13, 2017 17:31:39 GMT -5
Good Lord!!!! They have enough stamps there to fake guns for 50 years... No WaA 140 but I'd bet they would make one for you for a price... Amazing.... V/r Chuck About 15 years ago there were fake WaA stamps on the market and I think WaA135 was one of those offered. Whom ever marked the gun went to a lot of trouble... it looks as though it was blued after the stamps were applied... Still it is an interesting gun and should be fine to shoot... Someone who is interested in fake guns probably would pay a small premium for your gun. FWIW Chuck
And still offered Chuck :
www.waffenamt-shop.com/en/6-stamps-for-german-weapons-period-to-1945-
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Post by submoa on Jun 13, 2017 21:53:58 GMT -5
My pleasure Todd . You would think unscrupulous individuals going through that kind of effort would be smarter...but maybe the "unscrupulous" gene overshadows all  . While such over the top silliness is not exactly "common" it occurs more than most would think, I've run across it several individual times but never a second time with the same bogus pistol. Perhaps Mr. Burgs will share his experience with a modern BHP similarly marked making the rounds for quite some time.
They DO don't they Chuck, it IS amazing . At least for appearance purposes the WaA63 Waffenamt stamp @ GunParts has a "Use for restoration purposes only" caveat . |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 1:50:38 GMT -5
Ahhhh, that one! Yes, a few years back somebody was campaigning a "German" Hi Power around the various Northeast Pennsylvania gun shows. I saw it several times over a couple of years. It was covered with waffenampts and looked suitably worn. -Only trouble was that it had an exernal extractor, spur hammer and a "hognose" barrel bushing. The geezer selling it usually had his sweet elderly wife minding the table, so I never had the heart to breach the subject with her. NE PA gun shows are nice. They're often in fire houses. The firemen make extra money for the department by selling burgers and other good eats. So, even if you don't find a rare post '73 German Hi Power to buy, at least you'll eat good. |
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Post by mrbill on Jul 2, 2017 0:30:23 GMT -5
... I am pleased with the purchase, some minor issues, the magazine is rubbing against the sear spring, so will have that changed out. ....... ... Nice looking pistol! I once bought a FEG Hi Power off GunBroker and when I received it, the finish looked good, but the rusted magazine was 'stuck' in the magwell. I removed the grips and pried the magazine out. It had been jammed tight between the back of the front strap and the face of the spring. I thought it was a bad mag, but after getting everything cleaned up a new magazine was almost as tight - too tight to remove without prying with some tool. It took me quite a while, but I finally figured out that where the sides of the spring fit into the frame on the back strap, the machine work on the frame had not been completed and the flat surface of the spring was not recessed to flush with the metal of the frame, but was actually standing proud and not leaving enough front-to-back room for the magazine to fit (hope that explanation was clear enough to follow!). I removed the spring and worked on the frame at the rear of the magwell with an appropriately sized flat file until the spring was properly captured in the frame. That pistol now works like a champ. Other than the stuck in place rusted magazine, it looked like it had hardly been fired before it came into my possession since it could not have worked correctly from brand new. The finish looked like it had been tossed aside and forgotten due to its running problems. My point is - take a look at how the frame cradles that spring on the sides. A little file work may be all you need. Happy shooting! |
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Post by mrbill on Jul 2, 2017 11:44:34 GMT -5
Found an old picture of that FEG with the rusted-in-place mag.  |
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Post by ToddSig on Jul 2, 2017 12:54:40 GMT -5
"take a look at how the frame cradles that spring on the sides. A little file work may be all you need."
Thanks for the tip mrbill, I will take a look a how the sear spring sits in the back-strap brackets and update my progress.
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. WaA135 was the late war Mauser/Oberndorf Waffenamt.
...and that's what you bought it for right 
? Enjoy it 
...
. While such over the top silliness is not exactly "common" it occurs more than most would think, I've run across it several individual times but never a second time with the same bogus pistol. Perhaps Mr. Burgs will share his experience with a modern BHP similarly marked making the rounds for quite some time.
