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Post by bici on Mar 2, 2024 16:14:05 GMT -5
Hello
Why are there vertical grinding marks on this new unfired T series HP?
Thanks
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Post by ToddSig on Mar 2, 2024 18:07:46 GMT -5
Welcome to HPC biciYour images are not posting. If your images are under 1mb each you can post them as an attachment, limit of three per post. So if you have more than three images, make multiple posts. How to do it, top right corner of the create post box is "Add Attachment", click on that. An add attachment box opens, look for the green + sign "add files" and click on it. Locate the image/images on your computer and click open. Then click "Done" in the add attachment box. Should work. I only post from a tablet or desktop, so phone posting might be a slightly different. |
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Post by bici on Mar 3, 2024 2:49:49 GMT -5
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Post by bici on Mar 3, 2024 2:51:49 GMT -5
and another one...... The pistol has always been in collector's hands, not used for shooting Attachments:
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Post by ToddSig on Mar 3, 2024 9:05:05 GMT -5
Hello Why are there vertical grinding marks on this new unfired T series HP? Thanks Thanks for posting the images. That is a fantastic looking T series HP. I am always skeptical of "unfired" pistols. With that in mind, my best guess is the marks to the underside are possibly chatter/scuff marks where the slide is coming into contact with the hammer when the slide retracts. Below is an image of the underside of an FEG slide which has light chatter marks, but similar to yours. Perhaps some others such as Bob Reed or CXM can comment as well as they have a more experience and expertise on the technical side of HPs.  |
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Post by bici on Mar 3, 2024 10:27:39 GMT -5
Hi
That was my first guess .
But pulling the slide back the hammer does not reach the vertical grinding marks.
A friend mentioned perhaps a non matching serial number was erased......
There are some numbers on that part of the slide but I have no idea what they are standing for.
About the unfired issue..I bought the pistol in Germany for 875 euros in a well known gun shop. He told that this pistol always had been on a collector's license and was unfired.
In Germany it is not allowed to shoot a gun on a collector's license.
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Post by cmdrcody on Mar 3, 2024 11:23:18 GMT -5
My view of slide marks are it is a 4th quarter 1968 production FN slide. This matches the serial number and appearance. If the person you purchased from was the original owner it could be unfired after proofing. The scratches are unfamiliar.
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Post by bici on Mar 3, 2024 12:28:24 GMT -5
Thanks
The vertical scratches I guess must have been done to erase a previous marking..otherwise it would not make any sense..and part of the slide was polished around the proof mark...which is also a bit of a mystery.
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Post by bici on Mar 4, 2024 6:49:54 GMT -5
This morning I hot a message from a Belgium FN collector.
According to him this was due to frasing problems in the factory during the 60 and 70.
And says he has seen several hp like this.
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Post by bici on Mar 4, 2024 6:53:33 GMT -5
Milling problems .......
Is the word..
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Post by Bob Reed on Mar 4, 2024 10:26:46 GMT -5
Hello,
Those gouges/scratches are NOT tool marks from a milling machine - the sear lever appears to have the same marks as well and appears to sit slightly low in its midsection to the forward end with some unusual chatter/drag marks (not that uncommon to sit low, but if so, it would/should have been filed down to size/fit while in a small toolmakers vise and not in the slide, and they should have filed in a lengthwise direction, not side to side). The area around the proof mark at the rear of the cocking rail appears to have been filed with a Swiss Cut, Pillar File due to a fitting problem(?) - but that doesn't explain the gouges going in the opposite direction. The bottom edge of the firing pin retaining plate appears to have also been lightly filed or sanded.
If you will, while the slide is removed, please post a photo of the frame showing the topside of sear and surrounding area.
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Post by Mister Coffee on Mar 4, 2024 11:45:37 GMT -5
Hello, Those gouges/scratches are NOT tool marks from a milling machine - the sear lever appears to have the same marks as well and appears to sit slightly low in its midsection to the forward end with some unusual chatter/drag marks (not that uncommon to sit low, but if so, it would/should have been filed down to size/fit while in a small toolmakers vise and not in the slide, and they should have filed in a lengthwise direction, not side to side). The area around the proof mark at the rear of the cocking rail appears to have been filed with a Swiss Cut, Pillar File due to a fitting problem(?) - but that doesn't explain the gouges going in the opposite direction. The bottom edge of the firing pin retaining plate appears to have also been lightly filed or sanded. If you will, while the slide is removed, please post a photo of the frame showing the topside of sear and surrounding area. Bob, given what you have said so far, if this were a gun to fire, would it be malfunctioning or defective? |
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Post by bici on Mar 4, 2024 12:11:11 GMT -5
here some pics of the frame area... |
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Post by Bob Reed on Mar 4, 2024 15:42:42 GMT -5
Bici, thanks for the additional photos - everything appears normal with the sear and frame.
Mister Coffee, it would more than likely function just fine.
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Post by bici on Mar 4, 2024 16:01:58 GMT -5
Thanks...so are the vertical scratches tool marks and not milling marks....
If I go with my finger over that part of the slide I can hardly feel the scratches and the rest feels very smooth..
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