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Post by P35Fundi on May 24, 2023 19:50:06 GMT -5
I just put a C&S extended safety in a C-series P-35. You can while switching safety off and on just barely discern a click into the hole when switching safety on and off and the safety is mushy and difficult to move. I already have a blister forming, hah, been shooting Glocks too much and my thumb has forgotten the joy of a good thumb safety.
So, do I modify the frame detent holes or modify the detent... or both... how? My goal is the safety to smoothly move between positions on/off and click positively into each position.
Thanks!
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Post by ToddSig on May 25, 2023 7:33:28 GMT -5
I just put a C&S extended safety in a C-series P-35. You can while switching safety off and on just barely discern a click into the hole when switching safety on and off and the safety is mushy and difficult to move. I already have a blister forming, hah, been shooting Glocks too much and my thumb has forgotten the joy of a good thumb safety. So, do I modify the frame detent holes or modify the detent... or both... how? My goal is the safety to smoothly move between positions on/off and click positively into each position. Thanks! _________________ God Bless 45Fundi @45fundi, I just installed a C&S wide extended safety in my project HP. I have installed them in the past with very little issue and most with only slight fitting/filing. That said, this last one seems to have been a little out of spec, as it was too tight of a fit in many areas. The round post which sits within the frame was too tight and needed to be slightly reduced to fit into the frame and move freely. The front face where the detent is was also tight against the frame, needed slight reduction. Lastly, and which is the normal area needing fitting per C&S instructions, is the post which fits under the sear needed to be slightly reduced. Mine was very tight but filing took care of the issues and it is working fine. Also, the detent ball has a new spring, with added pressure, so some of the tightness could be there as well. Once installed and moving, a little oil, and then working the safety up and down typically will loosen the detent. Not I am not following the difficult to move but also mushy. But check the areas I mention for contact with the frame. Sear to safety interaction is an import aspect of the functioning of the HP. Make sure all is working and moving, and in the proper position. BTW, in most instances you do not wish to alter the pistol frame or slide, you alter the part, the least expensive and more easily replaceable part of the process. Hope this helps and please keep us posted on your progress. |
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Post by P35Fundi on May 25, 2023 18:14:40 GMT -5
Thank you great info. When I say, "Mushy" what I mean is my Custom P-35 and 1911s when you flick the safety from detent position to detent position it moves freely between detent positions and stops with a nice positive click into those detent positions. On this one it drags between positions and there is barely any positive click into place. I know to try first to modify the cheap part first, but I thought either the detent face was not pointed enough or the detent holes in the frame were too small and might need to be opened up a touch. Sharpening the detent seems like the answer, but not sure if that is even a thing that is done. I might just shoot it awhile and see if it works better after a little use. Thanks!
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Post by P35Fundi on May 25, 2023 18:16:52 GMT -5
ToddSig...My C&S safety is not the wide. I think I would have preferred the wide. How do you like the wide?
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Post by ToddSig on May 26, 2023 11:25:05 GMT -5
ToddSig...My C&S safety is not the wide. I think I would have preferred the wide. How do you like the wide? I guess it is a matter of personal preference, but I too lean toward the wide extended safety. It is just slightly larger, but not by that much. So a little more paddle surface and ease of function without being in the way or overally obstructive if carrying.  |
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Post by ToddSig on May 26, 2023 11:28:35 GMT -5
Thank you great info. When I say, "Mushy" what I mean is my Custom P-35 and 1911s when you flick the safety from detent position to detent position it moves freely between detent positions and stops with a nice positive click into those detent positions. On this one it drags between positions and there is barely any positive click into place. I know to try first to modify the cheap part first, but I thought either the detent face was not pointed enough or the detent holes in the frame were too small and might need to be opened up a touch. Sharpening the detent seems like the answer, but not sure if that is even a thing that is done. I might just shoot it awhile and see if it works better after a little use. Thanks! I am not a 1911 guy, but I do know it is tough for 1911 enthusiast (I have one, only because I think everyone who is into pistols should have at least one....just because) to switch to HPs because of things like the trigger and "snick" or lack thereof on the HP safety when compared to the 1911. I think you should work the safety up and down for awhile and see if the movement improves as well as the detent catching more securely. |
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Post by cmdrcody on Nov 30, 2023 7:41:36 GMT -5
I agree with Todd, the most likely drag when doing a safety is between the sear and the actual face of the safety. When you get enough removed you will get the “snick” when going on and off with the safety. The drag described is exactly the description of what you are removing from the safety lever when fitting the safety. I’m happy if it only takes one or two attempts to get the proper clearance. I learned when I first started smithing part time that patience is definitely a virtue when working on firearms.
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