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Post by wrck on May 7, 2023 9:42:13 GMT -5
![]() Hi chaps, just got the first of my HP variants back and this one was listed as a FEG, however it is nameless and stampless except for the Birmingham proof house mark. An of you guys shed some light on this curiosity? |
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Post by wrck on May 7, 2023 9:50:56 GMT -5
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Post by CXM on May 7, 2023 11:50:52 GMT -5
The "L" series serial number suggests to me it is a FEG. The "L" prefix is a known FEG series.
If I were looking at I would be comfortable it is a HP.
The absence of markings actually also suggests to me it is a FEG. FEG would build guns marked however the buyer wanted them marked... Some FEGs even have FN markings (though not very well executed.) FEG made guns for Israel without markings to indicate their source during the UN arms embargo.
Others will doubtless have some thoughts as well.
FWIW
Chuck
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Post by tnorris on May 7, 2023 12:58:24 GMT -5
Show us a picture of the slide serrations, clear enough so we can count them.
Near the middle of page 2 in FEG Factory References and Informations, Becel (Laszlo from Hungary) writes about two "tells" for determining if a BHP was made by FEG. I have pasted this below. You might also access the serial number production time lines Laszlo posted in the thread.
Cheers,
Tim
"By the way, FÉG counterfeit can be distinguished by the real Brownings to their slide different serration design, which is always 22 + a half. By the way, this was applicable not only to the counterfeit models but all other FÉG models as well. This half serration is coming from their quite old Czech-made Skoda slide milling machines which were hard to calibrate. Also, the trigger guard upper side had a different slope."
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Post by ToddSig on May 7, 2023 17:21:29 GMT -5
In addition to the serial number prefix and counting slide serrations, many times you will also find proof marks on the barrel lug. Most of my FEGs have an H with a circle (I believe other letters were also used, possibly an inspectors mark), sometimes a Roman numeral of IV or V, and/or other marks. As Tim mentions, post a few more images of the detailed marks and characteristics and we should be able to figure it out.   |
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Post by jonnyc on May 7, 2023 18:39:07 GMT -5
"FEG made guns for Israel without markings to indicate their source during the UN arms embargo."
This does not sound right to me...do you have some documentation? Perhaps you meant "IRAQ"?
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Post by wrck on May 8, 2023 7:42:58 GMT -5
Show us a picture of the slide serrations, clear enough so we can count them.
Near the middle of page 2 in FEG Factory References and Informations, Becel (Laszlo from Hungary) writes about two "tells" for determining if a BHP was made by FEG. I have pasted this below. You might also access the serial number production time lines Laszlo posted in the thread.
Cheers,
Tim
"By the way, FÉG counterfeit can be distinguished by the real Brownings to their slide different serration design, which is always 22 + a half. By the way, this was applicable not only to the counterfeit models but all other FÉG models as well. This half serration is coming from their quite old Czech-made Skoda slide milling machines which were hard to calibrate. Also, the trigger guard upper side had a different slope."
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Post by wrck on May 8, 2023 7:47:50 GMT -5
No markings or stamp’s on it anywhere, its a strange one Attachments:
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Post by CXM on May 8, 2023 9:20:13 GMT -5
You are correct, should have said Iraq. Chuck "FEG made guns for Israel without markings to indicate their source during the UN arms embargo." This does not sound right to me...do you have some documentation? Perhaps you meant "IRAQ"? |
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Post by ToddSig on May 8, 2023 12:38:38 GMT -5
Thanks for the additional images. Interesting on the barrel, all on my FEGs and FEG manufacterd Hi Powers have marks, including FEGs, Charles Daly, Luger and Mauser. Regarding the slide serration cuts, if counting correctly it looks like you have the 22 1/2 cuts. This is the first time I really compared the serrations between FN/Browning HPs and FEGs so not sure i am counting correctly, but from my observations, it appears correct. This thread gave me a good reason to compare and check out the differences. A side by side comparison is the best to show the differences. The difference is rather subtle, but you can notice it. If I am counting correctly (the valleys of the cuts, or the top peak of the valleys), I count 23 for FN/Browning. On the FEG, the valleys on the front edge of the serration panel is about a 1/2 to 3/4 cut when compared to the FN/Browning serrations. Image comparing the FEG and FN/Browning serrations. Notice the size and depth of the cuts furthest to the right nearest the ejection port. The FN/Browning cut is a full cut, while the FEG is slightly less than full.  |
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Post by pjk9hp on May 9, 2023 1:59:45 GMT -5
Just in case, serration cuts discussion (https://highpowercollectors.proboards.com/thread/459/serration-cuts-discussion) summary (just for reference again to include all other hipower make):
Oval shaped port and pre-war models – 23 ½ (some has 22 plus ½ on one end and ¾ or ½ on the other end, and some 23 ¼ or ¾ )
Other FN models - 23
Inglis – 23 and 24
T-series – 22 ½
FEGs – 22 ½
Turkey HP – some 21 and some 23
FAMCO – 26
Baford - 22
CWarner - 25
RFI India – 23 ½
Pindad - 23
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Post by tpelle on May 19, 2023 18:17:01 GMT -5
My FEG Counterfeit FN also bears an "L-prefix" serial number, for what it's worth.  FWIW, I bet that FEG would do a production run of P9s and put them in the warehouse with no rollmarks on them except for the serial number. Then, when they received an order, they would just pull that many pistols, run the slide through the rollmark machine with the desired die in it, then out the door they'd go! |
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Post by Bob Reed on May 20, 2023 8:57:06 GMT -5
Hello,
I believe the roll marks are applied prior to heat treating, but regardless - I'd still rather own a counterfeit Hi-Power than a legit 'plastic' pistol.
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