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Post by wrck on Mar 16, 2023 7:41:56 GMT -5
Hi , New member here and Very happy to have discovered this amazing group. I just made a purchase on a HP and its marked with serial T360335 but it has a spur hammer and different sights. Is this a C series run built with t series parts? I only have two photos of it atm as its in the dealers until my licence update is done. Attachments:
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Post by wrck on Mar 16, 2023 8:35:11 GMT -5
Oh and if any of you intelligent chaps know what the sharp piece of metal sticking through the frame in front of the trigger is i would be very grateful.
I didn't pay much attention to it in the shop, thought it was a grub screw or roll pin that had walked its way out, but now im wondering if its the trigger spring.
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Post by tnorris on Mar 16, 2023 8:52:55 GMT -5
Hi , New member here and Very happy to have discovered this amazing group. I just made a purchase on a HP and its marked with serial T360335 but it has a spur hammer and different sights. Is this a C series run built with t series parts? I only have two photos of it atm as its in the dealers until my license update is done.
Good morning!
I recall seeing this on the Facebook group.
The Browning web site is not accurate as it seems to suggest that when the C series began, the T series was discontinued. As it turns out they were produced side by side for a while... maybe a few years. The pistols were likely identical except for the serial number system.
The greatest difference between the T & C series is... the serial number system. Yours is most likely a period correct T series with proper parts of the day. Someone will be along shortly to offer an estimate for the year of production and perhaps some other details.
Cheers,
Tim
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Post by tnorris on Mar 16, 2023 9:04:28 GMT -5
Oh and if any of you intelligent chaps know what the sharp piece of metal sticking through the frame in front of the trigger is i would be very grateful. I didn't pay much attention to it in the shop, thought it was a grub screw or roll pin that had walked its way out, but now im wondering if its the trigger spring.
... I can't really make it out in the picture. If you can make some close-ups that might help. Something from below, from the side and inside the frame as well.
All I can imagine is it could be some sort of homemade forward travel stop???
Cheers,
Tim
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Post by ToddSig on Mar 16, 2023 9:18:41 GMT -5
Just a quick observation, as Tim mentions, additional images would be helpful. Sights are not correct for a T series, or C series for the matter. Most late T and early C series pistols have the ring/rowel hammer. FN changed to the spur hammer around 1971 or so, but there is overlap during the transition. Given the sights and the odd metal piece, some work has been done. I have a late FN T series, stacked serial numbers, 377,390. Production date marks on some of the parts date from 1972. With that yours, could be around 1971 or so.
When you get the High Power, check things like the barrel lug, trigger, hammer, backside of the slide stop for a small number with lines around it. This will be the date the particular part was manufactured. I have had most luck finding the production date on the barrel lug. Let us know when you get the High Power in hand.
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Post by wrck on Mar 16, 2023 9:21:43 GMT -5
Oh and if any of you intelligent chaps know what the sharp piece of metal sticking through the frame in front of the trigger is i would be very grateful. I didn't pay much attention to it in the shop, thought it was a grub screw or roll pin that had walked its way out, but now im wondering if its the trigger spring.
... I can't really make it out in the picture. If you can make some close-ups that might help. Something from below, from the side and inside the frame as well.
All I can imagine is it could be some sort of homemade forward travel stop???
Cheers,
Tim
Cheers tim , i cant get any more pictures at the minute it will be a while before its in my possession due to insane processing times by the licensing branch. To me it looked like a grub screw but i only glanced at it when it scratched my finger. |
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Post by wrck on Mar 16, 2023 9:28:15 GMT -5
Just a quick observation, as Tim mentions, additional images would be helpful. Sights are not correct for a T series, or C series for the matter. Most late T and early C series pistols have the ring/rowel hammer. FN changed to the spur hammer around 1971 or so, but there is overlap during the transition. Given the sights and the odd metal piece, some work has been done. I have a late FN T series, stacked serial numbers, 377,390. Production date marks on some of the parts date from 1972. With that yours, could be around 1971 or so. When you get the High Power, check things like the barrel lug, trigger, hammer, backside of the slide stop for a small number with lines around it. This will be the date the particular part was manufactured. I have had most luck finding the production date on the barrel lug. Let us know when you get the High Power in hand. I most definitely will, i am also waiting on a feg hi power being processed, it is in what i think is amazing condition. I always forget to take photos. I only have the two i took off my dealer website I have been offered a hi power for free that is going in a dealers scrap bin due to a cracked barrel, however i think its just the two piece barrel seam that they think is a crack. Its got a roll mark mentioning utah montreal and says made in belgium assembled in portugal on it . Looks painted black but all flaked off. So i might take it off his hands Attachments:
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Post by CXM on Mar 17, 2023 2:44:52 GMT -5
Free is always good... just the parts in the gun have quite a bit of value even if the barrel is defective... a barrel is very easy to replace... most are drop in and there are quite a lot of used ones around.
What country are you in? I get the idea the serial number(S) could be an issue with replacing the barrel on a gun with a bad barrel.
FWIW
Chuck
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Post by wrck on Mar 17, 2023 4:15:13 GMT -5
Free is always good... just the parts in the gun have quite a bit of value even if the barrel is defective... a barrel is very easy to replace... most are drop in and there are quite a lot of used ones around. What country are you in? I get the idea the serial number(S) could be an issue with replacing the barrel on a gun with a bad barrel. FWIW Chuck Im in the uk, yea im thinking it would be a decent platform to practice restoration techniques on |
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Post by CXM on Mar 18, 2023 9:41:01 GMT -5
The T series production continued for the European market a good bit longer than for the U.S. market. That probably explains the 'high' serial number. FWIW Chuck Free is always good... just the parts in the gun have quite a bit of value even if the barrel is defective... a barrel is very easy to replace... most are drop in and there are quite a lot of used ones around. What country are you in? I get the idea the serial number(S) could be an issue with replacing the barrel on a gun with a bad barrel. FWIW Chuck Im in the uk, yea im thinking it would be a decent platform to practice restoration techniques on |
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Post by cmdrcody on Sept 27, 2023 9:23:02 GMT -5
Free is always good... just the parts in the gun have quite a bit of value even if the barrel is defective... a barrel is very easy to replace... most are drop in and there are quite a lot of used ones around. What country are you in? I get the idea the serial number(S) could be an issue with replacing the barrel on a gun with a bad barrel. FWIW Chuck I have seen European HP with replacement barrels that were hand etched with serial number to match the firearm. |
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Post by CXM on Sept 27, 2023 10:08:48 GMT -5
Yes, I have seen those... the ones I have seen came out of Israel about 10-12 years ago. Seems during the various "UN-wars" with the camel jockeys the Izzys captured quite a number of HPs in various conditions including a lot of un-serviceable guns. Izzy armorers cannibalized un-serviceable guns to make serviceable guns. They they used electric pencils to 'force match' the numbers of the new parts to match the number on the receiver of the new gun.
Lots of interesting captured guns came out of Israel with their guns.
FWIW
Chuck
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Post by cmdrcody on Oct 5, 2023 13:41:08 GMT -5
The one thing about the Browning site is they only claim dates and numbers of the BROWNING ROLLMARKED Hi-Powers. What they commissioned from FN is not all of the FN production. The OPs firearm is roll marked FN and includes the serial on frame, slide and barrel which was required for European sale.
I have Browning 67 and 68 T’s and a 69C. Being made prior to 72 they were all made in Belgium. If you cover the serial numbers on these three guns you cannot tell them apart they are all grade 95% plus. I’ve seen later C’s where the finish is not quite as good, but that’s why there’s a premium on T series Browning roll marked Hi Powers.
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