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Post by jaypee on Jun 4, 2017 19:12:11 GMT -5
One of the more common complaints from BHP users about their pistols is that they often have a scratchy, rough, trigger pull. When such complaints are seen on internet gun forums, somebody will eventually ask of the complaining party: "did you lubricate it?" That simple question can save owners a great deal of money on trigger jobs. So that being the case, here is a product I've seen do good work on rough triggers. It's called Mobilgrease28 Synthetic Aircraft Grease. Word has been kicking around the AR forums for a while that the grease used and provided by Bill Geissele with his Geissele triggers is (or was at one time) Mobilgrease28 Synthetic Aircraft Grease. So, being an AR fan as well as a BHP fan, I decided to try some and see just how well it works on triggers. I picked up a tube of it from Aircraftspruce.com, measured out some smaller portions and passed it around to the guys at our military matches for use in a number of different firearms. Bottom line - it has improved the trigger pull on every firearm we have tried it on. So far we've tested it on the sears of two stock AR triggers, an original Remington Rolling Block, a BHP, two CZ 85B's, and a Romanian PSL 7.62x54R Sniper Rifle. It has a real tendency to lessen any scratchiness or creepiness when just used on the sears and nothing else. My match cohorts and I concluded that this is good stuff, and you can get a lifetime supply for less than twenty bucks. So if you are dealing with a scratchy trigger and want to try lubrication as a possible remedy before looking into more expensive alternatives, this product certainly impressed a bunch of military match competitors, me among them. The product is usually available for the best prices through pilot shops and such, so I picked up a tube from Aircraftspruce.com and gave it a try. Here is a link directly to the product, a 13.7 ounce tube for $13.67: www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/mobilGrease28.php?clickkey=11245. Best wishes for a smoother trigger. JayPee |
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Post by CXM on Jun 5, 2017 8:06:33 GMT -5
Good advice there... Grease is good for guns... some types are better than others, but they all are good in guns... I use a Lucas grease (sticky red)which adheres nicely and keeps things slick... I get it at automotive stores... SIG pistols are known for wear on the rails that is considered a bad thing... SIG recommends using greast to minimize wear... since I started using the Lucas Grease visible wear has virtually stopped on my SIGs. The Mobile aircraft grease sounds good... I need to give it a try. FWIW Chuck One of the more common complaints from BHP users about their pistols is that they often have a scratchy, rough, trigger pull. When such complaints are seen on internet gun forums, somebody will eventually ask of the complaining party: "did you lubricate it?" That simple question can save owners a great deal of money on trigger jobs. So that being the case, here is a product I've seen do good work on rough triggers. It's called Mobilgrease28 Synthetic Aircraft Grease. Word has been kicking around the AR forums for a while that the grease used and provided by Bill Geissele with his Geissele triggers is (or was at one time) Mobilgrease28 Synthetic Aircraft Grease. So, being an AR fan as well as a BHP fan, I decided to try some and see just how well it works on triggers. I picked up a tube of it from Aircraftspruce.com, measured out some smaller portions and passed it around to the guys at our military matches for use in a number of different firearms. Bottom line - it has improved the trigger pull on every firearm we have tried it on. So far we've tested it on the sears of two stock AR triggers, an original Remington Rolling Block, a BHP, two CZ 85B's, and a Romanian PSL 7.62x54R Sniper Rifle. It has a real tendency to lessen any scratchiness or creepiness when just used on the sears and nothing else. My match cohorts and I concluded that this is good stuff, and you can get a lifetime supply for less than twenty bucks. So if you are dealing with a scratchy trigger and want to try lubrication as a possible remedy before looking into more expensive alternatives, this product certainly impressed a bunch of military match competitors, me among them. The product is usually available for the best prices through pilot shops and such, so I picked up a tube from Aircraftspruce.com and gave it a try. Here is a link directly to the product, a 13.7 ounce tube for $13.67: www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/mobilGrease28.php?clickkey=11245. Best wishes for a smoother trigger. JayPee |
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Post by sistema1927 on Jun 6, 2017 9:25:31 GMT -5
Are you using it at the Sear/Hammer engagement point? I have normally kept that area scrupulously dry, but will be open to change if it makes a real difference.
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Post by jaypee on Jun 6, 2017 10:34:45 GMT -5
I always keep mine lubed, Systema. I've used a lot of different products, but this one tends to produce real results.
JayPee
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 15:23:11 GMT -5
JayPee,
You peaked my curiosity, so I ordered some from Amazon. In rereading your original post, I was reminded that I haven't checked out Aircraft Spruce in a long, long time. I will have to check them out again!
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Post by rob52 on Jun 7, 2017 7:18:45 GMT -5
jaypee,
I like your thread. Years ago I started using a couple of different greases (light coatings only) on the rails of my 1911's. One is Sta-lube extreme pressure engine assembly lube--it contains lithium, graphite and moly-disulfide (whatever that is) for lube protection. If it's good enough for parts that are moving at hundreds to thousands of rpm's, then it should work on the cycling of a 1911 or Hi Power or any other pistol. Another is the Stihls heavy duty gear grease--again, it is made for engaging parts that are cycling hundreds to thousands of RPM.
I just can't see spending great sums of money on tiny portions of some product with a catchy name--amphibian cream, gun oleo, etc--or from some semi-custom gunmaker that has a marketing campaign that needs to be paid for, when what I use is as good and is a fraction of the price.
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Post by jaypee on Jun 7, 2017 8:46:58 GMT -5
jaypee, I like your thread. Years ago I started using a couple of different greases (light coatings only) on the rails of my 1911's. One is Sta-lube extreme pressure engine assembly lube--it contains lithium, graphite and moly-disulfide (whatever that is) for lube protection. If it's good enough for parts that are moving at hundreds to thousands of rpm's, then it should work on the cycling of a 1911 or Hi Power or any other pistol. Another is the Stihls heavy duty gear grease--again, it is made for engaging parts that are cycling hundreds to thousands of RPM. I just can't see spending great sums of money on tiny portions of some product with a catchy name--amphibian cream, gun oleo, etc--or from some semi-custom gunmaker that has a marketing campaign that needs to be paid for, when what I use is as good and is a fraction of the price. I tend to think that way too rob, being quite fond of Mobil1 and Ed's Red. I don't think Mobilgrease28 is formulated for really heavy duty use, like as a gear lube, and I'm not even sure it would be any good on slide rails n'such, but I have become pretty well convinced that if a scratchy or rough trigger pull can be helped by a lubricant, this is the one that can do the job. It seems to carry that off well. JayPee |
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Post by CXM on Jun 7, 2017 10:31:13 GMT -5
I'm fairly convinced most gun lubricants are simply lubs made for other uses that have been re-packaged...
Some years ago when I lived in Dallas, a friend of a friend owned a company that sold a proprietary gun lubricant that has a pretty good reputation for doing good work on guns.
One day some of us were going to a local Tex-Mex restaurant (something I REALLY miss) for lunch. I stopped by his place of business to pick him up and went into the office to find him and was directed to the warehouse area. Sure enough, he was in the back looking at a 55gal drum of his lubricant, which had been shipped to him from a refinery in Oklahoma. Unfortunately somewhere along the line someone had hit the drum with a fork lift and about 2/3 of the product inside had leaked out... the freight truck driver was really distressed because of all the oil all over the place... my friend however was not worried because he said the damage claim would reimburse his loss of about $3,500 for the barrel of 'stuff.'
Anyway, his oil had always smelled a lot like automatic transmission fluid but was a much darker red in color. I expect he bought a mixture of ATF and motor oil.
The stuff was repackaged into little 2oz and 4oz bottles which sold for like $5 and $8 and that was over 10 years ago. That to me seems a very nice little product... if I can still do math in my head that means each 55 gal drum was valued at $8,800 at retail... with packaging and other costs costs etc. I estimate there was about a $4,000 profit per drum...
Anyway, I agree... if grease can work in heavy industrial uses, it should be fine in a gun...
FWIW
Chuck
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Post by rob52 on Jun 7, 2017 15:19:30 GMT -5
jaypee,
Great minds think alike. I began making Ed's Red a long time ago, with a couple of modifications. Instead of acetone, I use methyl-ethyl-ketone--it evaporates more slowly than acetone and Ed's Red lasts longer (at least I think it does). But use it in a well ventilated place because of potential toxicity concerns. And Mobil 1 is my other lubricant of choice.
CXM, IMO you're 100% correct about product and cost. On that other Forum a lot a guys think that the high cost, fancy name stuff is the way to go. I have not been able to find out the ingredients in these high cost lubes other than something like "petroleum distillates." And that's what you're buddy was selling, petroleum distillates for a nice profit.
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