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Post by ruber on Apr 12, 2019 19:56:47 GMT -5
Hey all,
I like the 40sw, it wonks well for me, so my question here is not about ammo, but about handgun models and support.
I carried a G22 for a long time, but now my .40’s are CZ’s, an HP, and an FNP. Support for the FN isn’t there, and CZ’s support for the .40 is waning.
I’d like to get a 40 S&W that is not going to be obsolete 10 years from now. Maybe that is a pipe dream, but wanted folks thoughts on what makes/models they see as having a viable future in 40sw.
Thanks! -Chris
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Post by abninftr on Apr 13, 2019 0:33:35 GMT -5
Everyone is thinking it, so I'll say it even if it pains me to utter the word. Glock.
They work. Parts and support is everywhere.
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Post by scattershot on Apr 13, 2019 10:00:49 GMT -5
I have a couple of Smith M&Ps in .40. Nice pistols, for fantastic plastic, but who knows what the future will bring?
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Post by Bob Reed on Apr 13, 2019 11:33:43 GMT -5
Hello, Chris,
Another option, and the one I go with, is a 1911 chambered for the .40 S&W cartridge.
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Post by ruber on Apr 13, 2019 12:46:42 GMT -5
Thanks!
I had kinda half-heartedly resigned myself to getting another glock or S&W. Solid guns, good CS, reliable.
The 1911 though had not even crossed my mind. That may be what I’m looking for, need to give that some more thought!
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Post by CXM on Apr 13, 2019 13:06:21 GMT -5
The reports of the demise of the 40SAW are greatly exaggerated... all the cops around here carry them save the Florida Highway Patrol who have 45 GAP caliber Glocks... mostly because they got them really cheap... everyone else uses .40SAWs. THe S&W M&P 40s are really nice guns... they make a full size if that is what you want, or a compact and even the really small Shield. I don't expect S&W will be dropping production of the M&P 40s any time soon... if for no other reason than the name of the cartridge. V/r Chuck Hey all, I like the 40sw, it wonks well for me, so my question here is not about ammo, but about handgun models and support. I carried a G22 for a long time, but now my .40’s are CZ’s, an HP, and an FNP. Support for the FN isn’t there, and CZ’s support for the .40 is waning. I’d like to get a 40 S&W that is not going to be obsolete 10 years from now. Maybe that is a pipe dream, but wanted folks thoughts on what makes/models they see as having a viable future in 40sw. Thanks! -Chris
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Post by CXM on Apr 13, 2019 13:08:11 GMT -5
I had not thought of that... a 1911 would be a very good choice. If anyone needs one, I have a .40SAW barrel for a 1911 (Para Ord) that I'd let go cheap. FWIW CHuck Hello, Chris, Another option, and the one I go with, is a 1911 chambered for the .40 S&W cartridge.
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Post by ruber on Apr 13, 2019 14:37:10 GMT -5
Yep, I certainly see a lot of .40’s in the field here, mostly P30, P2000, Glock 22’s, and p229’s. I don’t enjoy the big contracts with Hk or Sig, so those become costly over time. I’ve called S&W on Friday afternoon about lost/broken small parts and had them arrive the next Monday. Maybe I’m lucky or have the right tone of voice, but I sure like working with them over trying to get parts for some of the others right now. I have yet to see any local law enforcement with an M&P though, which had me wondering. So I’m glad to hear your thoughts on them. Thanks! Chris The reports of the demise of the 40SAW are greatly exaggerated... all the cops around here carry them save the Florida Highway Patrol who have 45 GAP caliber Glocks... mostly because they got them really cheap... everyone else uses .40SAWs. THe S&W M&P 40s are really nice guns... they make a full size if that is what you want, or a compact and even the really small Shield. I don't expect S&W will be dropping production of the M&P 40s any time soon... if for no other reason than the name of the cartridge. V/r Chuck Hey all, I like the 40sw, it wonks well for me, so my question here is not about ammo, but about handgun models and support. I carried a G22 for a long time, but now my .40’s are CZ’s, an HP, and an FNP. Support for the FN isn’t there, and CZ’s support for the .40 is waning. I’d like to get a 40 S&W that is not going to be obsolete 10 years from now. Maybe that is a pipe dream, but wanted folks thoughts on what makes/models they see as having a viable future in 40sw. Thanks! -Chris
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Post by ruber on Apr 15, 2019 10:09:10 GMT -5
Kind of a followup...
Spent some time at the local range/shop trying out some other models over the weekend. Some nice shooting guns are curiously marked down across many local gunshops while Glocks and M&P’s are selling at or over MSRP.
It looked like I could get a SP2022, PX4, XD40 and a handful of other similar model lines for $400 or less.
Are these models on the way out, or are the markets just saturated?
Having been an early adopter of the BDM, Pro-9, countless AMT models, etc, my wife refers to my safe as the cabinet of antiquated technology. While I’m intrigued by some of the deals, I don’t want to really add to that.
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Post by CXM on Apr 15, 2019 10:49:26 GMT -5
AIM Surplus has police trade in SIG P226s for $399... you can turn it into a .40SAW by installing a 40SAW barrel and using .40Magazines (some 357SIG mags will work with 40SAW. This conversion is supported by SIG. aimsurplus.com/leo-trade-in-sig-sauer-p226-e3-357-sig-handgun The SIG P226 is a superb pistol. FWIW CHuck Kind of a followup... Spent some time at the local range/shop trying out some other models over the weekend. Some nice shooting guns are curiously marked down across many local gunshops while Glocks and M&P’s are selling at or over MSRP. It looked like I could get a SP2022, PX4, XD40 and a handful of other similar model lines for $400 or less. Are these models on the way out, or are the markets just saturated? Having been an early adopter of the BDM, Pro-9, countless AMT models, etc, my wife refers to my safe as the cabinet of antiquated technology. While I’m intrigued by some of the deals, I don’t want to really add to that.
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Post by ruber on Apr 15, 2019 12:06:43 GMT -5
I have never had a problem finding parts for my P series SIGs... SIG parts are available all over the place. The 40SAW to 357SIG is the more common conversion... but both are easy to do... I converted several P series 40SAWs to 357SIG and they have worked really well... the recoil spring is every the same on both versions... SIG will sell you a barrel to do the conversion... The plus here is you then can use two calibers of cartridges in your pistol so if we run into another "Obummer" ammo shortage again, it will be easier to keep shooting. Another plus is if you reload, once fired 40SAW brass is pretty cheap. FWIW Chuck. Thanks again for the insight. The 226 has been on my short list for a long time, but did not know they supported this (though they have been fantastic with even my old West German Sigs). This may make my decision much easier. Thanks! Chris AIM Surplus has police trade in SIG P226s for $399... you can turn it into a .40SAW by installing a 40SAW barrel and using .40Magazines (some 357SIG mags will work with 40SAW. This conversion is supported by SIG. aimsurplus.com/leo-trade-in-sig-sauer-p226-e3-357-sig-handgun The SIG P226 is a superb pistol. FWIW CHuck
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Post by ruber on Apr 15, 2019 12:58:03 GMT -5
Yes, that’s a good sell. Basically I need a factory supported configuration (no cajun CZ or sfs hi power) cheaper than a contract GP100 (the default for the admin at work). My old trade in 225 with short reset and night sites worked out fine a few years back, I should be able to squeeze one of these in.
Thanks!
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Post by tnorris on Apr 17, 2019 8:31:50 GMT -5
Yes, that’s a good sell. Basically I need a factory supported configuration (no cajun CZ or sfs hi power)
I can't imagine my .40 BHP with factory SFS ever becoming obsolete! -Plenty of parts are available and stilll being made
-Super easy to work on
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Post by ruber on Nov 14, 2021 23:17:36 GMT -5
Hi all, I wanted to give an update on this thread from two years back (also kind of a ‘where ya been?’). Basically, for a current production .40 with lots of factory support that is widely available where I live in CA, the PX4 had really fit the bill and checked all the boxes. I was pretty apprehensive at first reading some woes from other users, but the local shops/ranges had a lot to try out and pick over. This one is the g-variant (decock only) with carry levers and low profile hammer (all factory parts). It has been a joy to shoot and super reliable in my training classes. I was also worried about their blockiness, but it actually carries very nicely: Of course, this has sucked me down the Beretta rabbit hole... Wanting more sporting options to go along with the PX4, I also wound up with a pair of full sized 96’s. Both have flush cut and crowned barrels and optimized trigger bars. Both were project guns from the start of the pandemic. The Inox 96 originally had carbon steel small parts which had a lot of corrosion from previous owner. I had to replace pretty much everything but the slide, frame, grips, and barrel. That was early 2020 when parts were still available, I don’t think I could do the same now. The bruniton 96 is what my son has been using and has been real nice with just a couple upgrades, including the trigger bar, grips, and g-conversion (decock only). I’d like to add the match hammer, just waiting for those to come back into stock. The 1984 hi power was my first handgun, and still the one I measure all others by. But for the past couple years, these are what have been getting my attention.
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