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Post by skippysanchez on Feb 28, 2020 15:04:22 GMT -5
Got a good deal on some TulAmmo last week and seeking advice on whether it would be an issue in my BHP?
Thanks.
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Post by CXM on Feb 28, 2020 17:38:24 GMT -5
I would not use steel case ammo in any of my HPs. I'm not sure how badit is for a HP, but I'm sure it isn't good for one.
There is plenty of brass case ammo available at reasonable prices that I can't see any real reason to use steel stuff... plus people leave it lying all over ranges to rust and look bad.
If I were using it in a glock or something like that I would not worry about it... but in a fine pistol I'll stick with brass. I'd also avoid aluminum as well.
My advice is stick with brass...
FWIW
Chuck
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Post by abninftr on Feb 28, 2020 20:55:32 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of steel cased ammo. Most indoor ranges ban Russian made ammo. The projectiles supposedly have a steel core which beats up their backstops. Most of them will magnet test your ammo.
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Post by ibmikey on Mar 1, 2020 8:47:44 GMT -5
No way I am going to run steel case in anything other than my Combloc pistols, i desire long life and trouble free performance from my firearms consequently I feed them as well as I can and that does not included steel
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Post by jonnyc on Mar 2, 2020 14:36:46 GMT -5
Wow....this must be the rich guy forum! Your barrel and extractor are made of too/ordnance steel and Russian cases are made of mild (soft) steel. It would take many years and many thousands of rounds to even begin to wear out a BHP with steel-cased ammo. And with your ammo savings, you could buy a couple if new HPs as replacements, or a few new barrels and extractors. I shoot what's next on the self....never had any problems with thousands of rounds through my HPs. The reasons range owners hate steel (and aluminum) cases is they contaminate their bins of brass for recycling, and they want to sell their more expensive ammo.
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Post by skippysanchez on Mar 2, 2020 20:57:31 GMT -5
Wow....this must be the rich guy forum! Your barrel and extractor are made of too/ordnance steel and Russian cases are made of mild (soft) steel. It would take many years and many thousands of rounds to even begin to wear out a BHP with steel-cased ammo. And with your ammo savings, you could buy a couple if new HPs as replacements, or a few new barrels and extractors. I shoot what's next on the self....never had any problems with thousands of rounds through my HPs. The reasons range owners hate steel (and aluminum) cases is they contaminate their bins of brass for recycling, and they want to sell their more expensive ammo. Gotta say, this is a very reasonable response. Yes, I want to take good care of my firearms, but if a high-end pistol always needs baby food (but a lowly Glock or CZ can handle any ammo) then maybe I've got the wrong gun. Same primadonna responses on the HK forums.
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Post by sams1 on Mar 2, 2020 21:15:22 GMT -5
There is another thing with Russian (or Eastern Block) made steel cased ammo - the powder they use... It's not corrosive, but boy, is it dirty! Notice the excessive black smoke (and weird smell)when shooting this ammo. The gun is filthy after shooting this type ammo and takes much longer to properly clean. Not saying other ammo is not 'smoking' some but no way near as bad as the foreign made steel cased ammo. As 'soft' as the steel might be, I feed my BHP only brass - and I'm not a rich guy... :/ Of course, this is just my opinion (and experience) - FWIW...
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Post by abninftr on Mar 2, 2020 22:09:18 GMT -5
There is another thing with Russian (or Eastern Block) made steel cased ammo - the powder they use... It's not corrosive, but boy, is it dirty! Notice the excessive black smoke (and weird smell)when shooting this ammo. The gun is filthy after shooting this type ammo and takes much longer to properly clean. Not saying other ammo is not 'smoking' some but no way near as bad as the foreign made steel cased ammo. As 'soft' as the steel might be, I feed my BHP only brass - and I'm not a rich guy... :/ Of course, this is just my opinion (and experience) - FWIW... And that is why I'm not a fan of Russian made, steel cased ammo. I'm not rich by any road, but I reload so ammo prices are not an issue.
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Post by CXM on Mar 4, 2020 18:57:20 GMT -5
Also, the steel cases are coated with some sort of clear lacquer... There are quite a few reports of the melting in hot chambers and gumming everything up... something I don't want at any price.
FWIW
CHuck
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Post by abninftr on Mar 4, 2020 22:06:51 GMT -5
Also, the steel cases are coated with some sort of clear lacquer... There are quite a few reports of the melting in hot chambers and gumming everything up... something I don't want at any price. FWIW CHuck I've actually seen that happen. A mate who was notorious for high round count range sessions and a bit lazy about cleaning his Glock afterwards had a failure to extract because the 'varnish' seemingly 'glued' an empty case in the chamber.
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Post by jonfhp40 on Mar 10, 2020 15:01:16 GMT -5
Also, the steel cases are coated with some sort of clear lacquer... There are quite a few reports of the melting in hot chambers and gumming everything up... something I don't want at any price. FWIW CHuck I've actually seen that happen. A mate who was notorious for high round count range sessions and a bit lazy about cleaning his Glock afterwards had a failure to extract because the 'varnish' seemingly 'glued' an empty case in the chamber. While a valid concern, I think that many, if not most have gone to a polymer coating, which is a non-issue. My concern over steel-cased, and somewhat regarding aluminum cased ammunition has to do with stepped chambers, as are in HK's. If the area isn't cleaned between shooting sessions, extraction issues can arise. If it has been, you'll likely experience no issues. Secondary concerns have to do with making power factors (for IDPA), accuracy, performance deviations not just between production lots, but between rounds in a box, and amount of residue. There are simply available brass-cased quality manufacture cartridges to steer me away from steel-cased fodder for pretty much 1) anything but for in my CZ-527 rifle in 7.62 x 39, which was designed for and thrives on standard steel-cased stuff (but also shoots beautifully with Hornaday brass-cased cartridges); 2) except in an absolute pinch. My practice/match cartridges of choice these days center around Sellier & Bellot and American Eagle. Best, Jon
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Post by CXM on Mar 10, 2020 15:39:24 GMT -5
It's pretty much a matter of opinion... and I suppose to some extent budget. This is much less of an issue for me because I reload my ammunition... for that reason I would not buy steel or aluminum case ammo at any price (yes, I know some people have been successful in reloading such cases... but I have never heard if the cases reloaded work well... or for that matter if they work at all... brass on the other hand can be reloaded many times...
The delta between brass case and other cases is just not big enough for me to be tempted by the slightly cheaper prices. Maybe I"d shoot it in an AK47 (but come to think of it I have never had one of those... haven't even ever shot one... I did shoot a SKS once... but nothing I need.
Anyway, if someone is happy with non brass cases it's ok with me (but I do hope they will pick up the trash cases they leave on the ground... I'll be happy to pick up brass cases for you... )
I would not rate any steel case with some sort of coating as 'not a problem.' That of course is just my opinion.
FWIW
Chuck
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Post by gt40doc on Mar 11, 2020 13:57:09 GMT -5
I used to shoot steel case ammo in my handguns on occasion,......then my indoor range outlawed them. Now I just look at those 6+ full cases of the stuff!!! A number of years ago I had a group buy on this ammo that I could not turn down......then the range changed it's policy. It really works great in an Uzi. I am a handloader also, but for 9mm, with the current prices, I don't really save that much $$$. I just received a case of Winchester 124gr NATO ammo yesterday. I own a couple of weapons that were built for this ammo, so I use it in them.
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Post by CXM on Mar 13, 2020 13:33:07 GMT -5
I hand load too... saves me quite a bit of money.... BUT... nearly all my components were bought pre Obummer.... big price delta... Hopefully I have a lifetime supply... V/r Chuck I used to shoot steel case ammo in my handguns on occasion,......then my indoor range outlawed them. Now I just look at those 6+ full cases of the stuff!!! A number of years ago I had a group buy on this ammo that I could not turn down......then the range changed it's policy. It really works great in an Uzi. I am a handloader also, but for 9mm, with the current prices, I don't really save that much $$$. I just received a case of Winchester 124gr NATO ammo yesterday. I own a couple of weapons that were built for this ammo, so I use it in them.
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Post by gt40doc on Mar 13, 2020 15:40:09 GMT -5
I still have some of those wonderfully priced reloading components that were purchased back at a better time. I am sort of hording them for "just in case"!! I shoot a fair amount of 9mm ammo, so as long as it is reasonably priced(case price), I shoot factory and hang onto my components. I do pick up the once fired brass!!!
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