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Post by HRFunk on Nov 4, 2018 14:26:41 GMT -5
Hi all! Here's part-1 of my series on using the Kel-Tec Sub2K as a response option in an active environment. I think you'll find it interesting. Be sure to let me know your thoughts!
Howard
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Post by Carolinaman on Nov 4, 2018 16:20:22 GMT -5
Hello Howard,
Great video Howard! Lot's to think about from your presentation. I've been pondering a Pistol Caliber Carbine for awhile. Post part II when you get 'er done!
Nice job,
Chris
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Post by HRFunk on Nov 8, 2018 7:16:49 GMT -5
Two updates from yesterday. First, I qualified with the Sub2000. It ran like a top except for one failure to feed. That occurred on the first shot fired from a prone position with a 25-round extended magazine resting on the ground. I've seen that type of malfunction before, and I shot it that way to see if the Sub2000 was susceptible to it. Sure enough, FTF on the first round. OK, no problem, the lesson here is not to rest the extended magazine on the ground when shooting it. Other than that, it was fine. Also, I never touched the sights and they were right on all the way back to 50 yards.
The second thing is I carried the Sub2000 using one of my experimental carry methods during a trip to the grocery store last night (No, I was't expecting an active threat at the grocery store, but I wanted to try out the carry method and see how I liked it). As it turned out, the carry method worked like a charm. Nobody gave me a second (or even a first) look. I got my groceries and headed for home. I'll have more details in my next video which I'm hoping to record on Saturday.
Howard
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Post by HRFunk on Nov 12, 2018 5:20:17 GMT -5
Here you go guys! Part-2 is hot off the editing machine. In this installment, I'm heading to the range with the Sub2K to see how it runs. Take a look and see what you think!
Howard
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Post by Carolinaman on Nov 12, 2018 7:03:30 GMT -5
Hello Howard,
Great follow-up video! It appears that the Sub-2000 is definitely a "winner" in terms of utility and performance.
Chris
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Post by craig on Nov 12, 2018 12:42:47 GMT -5
Hello Howard, you make a great video, & I thank you for your service training Lawmen. I also have appreciated the usefulness of a carbine for decades, but respectfully disagree about the Kel-Tek Sub-2000.
I dislike kel-tec products beginning with their designs, I would not have made any firearm fold at the barrel, if it were a few inches longer it could be fired with a FOLDED STOCK. I thought it was a stupid design when I first saw it (before the bad barrel recall). I do like the idea of a pistol caliber carbine - its value as a defensive weapon is that it's a steady accurate shoulder braced platform, & it is likely not to over penetrate in a crowd - or through the house next door.
Not being a lawman fighting crime 24/7, I have no need to carry even a pistol all the time - nor feel obligated to protect anyone other than myself or family. IF I DID, there are much better choices than the Kel-tec, that cost about the same. Enclosing a picture of a PTR 9C 9mm Pistol with FOLDING SHOULDER BRACE - that makes it equal to an SBR, but without needing a tax stamp. It folds into a smaller package AT THE STOCK, & can be fired without deploying the stock/brace. It also has a high capacity magazine. I'd much rather have it in most self defense situations, except when a shotgun would be better - & it wouldn't be the Kel-Tek shotgun either.
IMO SUB-2000 is not the best tool for the job.
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Post by HRFunk on Nov 12, 2018 13:25:47 GMT -5
Hello Howard, you make a great video, & I thank you for your service training Lawmen. I also have appreciated the usefulness of a carbine for decades, but respectfully disagree about the Kel-Tek Sub-2000. I dislike kel-tec products beginning with their designs, I would not have made any firearm fold at the barrel, if it were a few inches longer it could be fired with a FOLDED STOCK. I thought it was a stupid design when I first saw it (before the bad barrel recall). I do like the idea of a pistol caliber carbine - its value as a defensive weapon is that it's a steady accurate shoulder braced platform, & it is likely not to over penetrate in a crowd - or through the house next door. Not being a lawman fighting crime 24/7, I have no need to carry even a pistol all the time - nor feel obligated to protect anyone other than myself or family. IF I DID, there are much better choices than the Kel-tec, that cost about the same. Enclosing a picture of a PTR 9C 9mm Pistol with FOLDING SHOULDER BRACE - that makes it equal to an SBR, but without needing a tax stamp. It folds into a smaller package AT THE STOCK, & can be fired without deploying the stock/brace. It also has a high capacity magazine. I'd much rather have it in most self defense situations, except when a shotgun would be better - & it wouldn't be the Kel-Tek shotgun either. IMO SUB-2000 is not the best tool for the job. I understand your comments and I respect your opinion. I made the point in the first video that historically I have not been a fan of Kel-Tec firearms. The big advantage I see with the Sub2000 is/are the compact dimensions of the folded carbine; and (now that I've shot it) its accuracy and reliability. The PTR 9C, even folded, has a greater overall length than the S2K. I'm not bashing it, mind you, but I'm looking to have something with me that is the easiest available platform to carry. The Sub2000 is, in many ways, a compromise. It is a calculated compromise, however, and it seems to meet my requirements as an ATRO. Thanks for weighing in, I appreciate your input! Howard |
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Post by gt40doc on Nov 12, 2018 16:46:49 GMT -5
Thanx for the followup video on the Sub-2000....most interesting. I own a fair number of KelTec handguns, and carry my P3AT with a Crimson Trace laser, daily, and have for years. I have never owned, or shot, the Sub2000, but it looks like a nice, inexpensive, pistol caliber carbine. I have been looking seriously at the PTR 9CT carbine( VS the Zenith Z5RS), and it's cost is many fold higher than the Sub 2000......apples and oranges.
I can easily see how the Sub2000 has a place for folks in the shooting/self defense arena. I would have zero qualms about purchasing another KelTec product. That thing is a SHOOTER, and you are not too bad yourself.....likely a nail driver!!
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Post by HRFunk on Nov 12, 2018 17:13:50 GMT -5
Thanx for the followup video on the Sub-2000....most interesting. I own a fair number of KelTec handguns, and carry my P3AT with a Crimson Trace laser, daily, and have for years. I have never owned, or shot, the Sub2000, but it looks like a nice, inexpensive, pistol caliber carbine. I have been looking seriously at the PTR 9CT carbine( VS the Zenith Z5RS), and it's cost is many fold higher than the Sub 2000......apples and oranges. I can easily see how the Sub2000 has a place for folks in the shooting/self defense arena. I would have zero qualms about purchasing another KelTec product. That thing is a SHOOTER, and you are not too bad yourself.....likely a nail driver!! Ha! I thought about trying the thumb tack shot, but frankly, I was freezing my butt off! The wind chill last Saturday was in the single digits, and I felt every single digit of it! I'll save that one for a warmer day. Howard |
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Post by Mister Coffee on Nov 13, 2018 12:52:34 GMT -5
Howard, I've enjoyed the Sub2000 videos. Could you comment further on the build quality? Also, the pivot point concerns me. How does that work and how sturdy is it? (I guess if you're hanging around with ARs all the time, you're used to rifles that pivot open like that.)
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Post by HRFunk on Nov 13, 2018 13:00:10 GMT -5
Howard, I've enjoyed the Sub2000 videos. Could you comment further on the build quality? Also, the pivot point concerns me. How does that work and how sturdy is it? (I guess if you're hanging around with ARs all the time, you're used to rifles that pivot open like that.) Well, if I was going to brace it between two trees and tie a rope to it in order to lower myself down a cliff, and I had the choice between the Sub2k and my M1 Garand, I would probably opt for the latter. That said, I think the Kel-Tec is built well enough for its intended purpose (i.e. a small, lightweight, carbine.) The hinge seems sturdy and it doesn't feel like its going to break apart. Still, mine is new. I'll have to let you know how it holds up over time. Howard |
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Post by HRFunk on Nov 17, 2018 8:08:38 GMT -5
Good morning All! Here is the 3rd installment in this series. In this episode, I take a look at some upgrades to the Sub2k as well as some carry/deployment methods. Let me know what you think!
Howard
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Post by Carolinaman on Nov 18, 2018 11:21:16 GMT -5
Hello Howard,
Another excellent video and demonstration! I really like some of the upgrades that you made to the Kel Tec Sub 2000 and the deployment gear that you are planning to use. You made some great points about your visual identification of a active shooter scenario. Keep up the great work and videos!
Best,
Chris
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Post by Mister Coffee on Nov 18, 2018 14:20:45 GMT -5
Nicely done, Howard. Well-thoughtout. Looking forward to the next range report.
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Post by HRFunk on Nov 19, 2018 7:31:23 GMT -5
Nicely done, Howard. Well-thoughtout. Looking forward to the next range report. So am I if it ever stops raining and snowing around here! Howard |
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