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Post by pjk9hp on Jul 1, 2017 11:35:31 GMT -5
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Post by CXM on Jul 1, 2017 11:58:36 GMT -5
That is interesting...
Thanks for sharing...
V/r
Chuck
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Post by abninftr on Jul 1, 2017 16:37:17 GMT -5
Blake Stephens has the same patent drawing in his book.
What is interesting to me is that the cartridges illustrated have truncated cone bullets. Why is that interesting to me? Because Blake Stephens book includes an engineering drawing for a 'blunt tip' (truncated cone) bullet designed by the USAF Direct Fire Weapons Division from 1977 that supposedly offered better ballistic performance than standard FMJ Ball ammunition. Fifty-five years earlier truncated cone bullets were in the game, forty years ago, the air force essentially re-discovered them, and yet, today, they are as scarce as hens' teeth, and I wonder why that is?
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Post by gt40doc on Jul 1, 2017 17:53:13 GMT -5
If memory serves(always a real question with me), the original 9mm cartridge that was designed by Georg Luger, and manufactured by DWM had a truncated cone bullet. It was designed and produced to make the German Army happy with Georg's new handgun. The Army was not happy with the original caliber (7.65 Parabellum/30 Luger) cartridge. Sorry for the thread drift.
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Post by pjk9hp on Jul 1, 2017 20:24:48 GMT -5
If memory serves(always a real question with me), the original 9mm cartridge that was designed by Georg Luger, and manufactured by DWM had a truncated cone bullet. It was designed and produced to make the German Army happy with Georg's new handgun. The Army was not happy with the original caliber (7.65 Parabellum/30 Luger) cartridge. Sorry for the thread drift. For me, it is not a thread drift but an interesting one same with abninftr's comment. Thanks. |
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Post by CXM on Jul 2, 2017 9:24:04 GMT -5
I have seen collectors who have FN made ammo from as late as the 1930s with truncated cone bullets... around the time of WWI the TC bullets were pretty common... apparently they functioned well in the Lugers... whether or not they were better than the round nose type I don't know... but I would assume they were at least as good.
FWIW
CHuck
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Post by pjk9hp on Apr 8, 2023 6:38:11 GMT -5
I was reading this article from this link www.thefreelibrary.com/Le+Grande+Puissance%3A+thirty+years+ago%2C+the+Browning+High+Power+was...-a0323975948stating "During the years since the High Power was introduced, Fabrique Nationale licensed only four foreign governments to produce it: Argentina, Canada, Nigeria, and Venezuela." Just a thought came to my mind: 1. Is it safe to say that the patent above also expired after 17 years from the time it was granted. If yes, that means it expired Feb 22, 1944, right? 2. Was such patent sold to FN Belgium? 3. Was the P35 version patented in FN Belgium c/o Dieudonné Saive? This question alludes to why was FN granting license then if there was no patent filed in Belgium? |
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Post by CXM on Apr 10, 2023 4:33:25 GMT -5
Browning licensed his patents for pistols to Colt's for the Americas and FN for the rest of the world. I assume this went on so long as the patent was valid (back then the term was 17 years and it could be extended for another 17.) Winchester was licensed for rifle patents and most of Browning shotgun patents. Colt's may not have held a license for the High Power however... Browning seems to have licensed each patent individually. I don't think Browning sold his patents... just licensed them. FWIW Chuck I was reading this article from this link www.thefreelibrary.com/Le+Grande+Puissance%3A+thirty+years+ago%2C+the+Browning+High+Power+was...-a0323975948stating "During the years since the High Power was introduced, Fabrique Nationale licensed only four foreign governments to produce it: Argentina, Canada, Nigeria, and Venezuela." Just a thought came to my mind: 1. Is it safe to say that the patent above also expired after 17 years from the time it was granted. If yes, that means it expired Feb 22, 1944, right? 2. Was such patent sold to FN Belgium? 3. Was the P35 version patented in FN Belgium c/o Dieudonné Saive? This question alludes to why was FN granting license then if there was no patent filed in Belgium? |
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