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Post by filson on Jul 12, 2017 5:43:26 GMT -5
great stuff, excellent photos and descriptions. is there a roll mark wizard who can post the evolving slide roll marks over the years? many thanks.
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Post by jaypee on Jul 12, 2017 7:20:28 GMT -5
We'll look into that, Mr. Filson. Thanks for the suggestion.
JayPee
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Post by pjk9hp on Oct 11, 2017 13:48:22 GMT -5
Sharing a photo link for the "two-piece" barrel forum.guns.ru/forummessage/115/1781974.html (posted by Nika_Finn dated 4-3-2016 16:06) "For those who are interested (for example, the HP clone made by FEG in 1970). Before the factory assembly, the two-component barrel looked something like this: (Translated by the forum site screen tanslator)
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Post by CXM on Oct 11, 2017 18:29:12 GMT -5
На схеме, изображающей две модификации MkII: сзади - с курком округлой формы и с регулируемым прицелом; спереди - аналог представленного экземпляра - прилив на стволе не обозначен. Впрочем, это всего лишь картинка, а не чертёж из патента. Отнюдь не исключено, что на представленном экземпляре он удалён в рамках деактивации. По представленной в теме фотографии казённого среза ствола с приливом (пост #7) смотрите внимательно - он тоже составной.
V/r
Chuck
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Post by gt40doc on Oct 12, 2017 14:41:53 GMT -5
I agree 100% with what Chuck said!!!
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Post by CXM on Oct 13, 2017 10:42:27 GMT -5
Французские военные сочли представленный FN образец вполне удачным и соответствующим их требованиям, но на вооружение был принят пистолет, созданный во Франции. Разразившийся в октябре года глубочайший экономический кризис помешал и коммерческому успеху этого оружия. V/r Chuck
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Post by Mister Coffee on Oct 15, 2017 22:05:53 GMT -5
This has been bugging me. You say that the rowel hammer "was the standard hammer of the High Power pistol until replaced with the spur hammer in the Mark II pistol of 1981." However, in the movie Serpico, Serpico (played by Al Pacino) acquires a Hi-Power with a spur hammer (and adjustable rear site). Serpico was made in 1973. What am I missing here? Thanks. “ROWEL HAMMER” OR “RING HAMMER” – The rowel hammer is said by some to have been named after the rowel on a cowboy’s spurs - a spiked revolving disk at the end of the spur. The rowel hammer has been known by a number of names – ring hammer, round hammer, burr hammer, skeletonized hammer, Commander hammer, and others. It was the standard hammer of the High Power pistol until replaced with the spur hammer in the Mark II pistol of 1981. FN later used the rowel hammer as a special feature of the MK III-based Practical and tangent-sighted Capitan models. Some say its purpose was originally to facilitate ease of cocking by mounted troops, while others say it is used on the High Power to minimize “hammer bite.” Still others say its purpose is to reduce snagging. Whatever its purpose, it enjoys an immense popularity in the Hi Power community.
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Post by ToddSig on Oct 16, 2017 12:38:18 GMT -5
I was under the impression the ring hammer was replaced with the spur hammer around 1971.
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Post by CXM on Oct 17, 2017 9:07:57 GMT -5
I am not certain exactly when the spur hammer became standard for the HP. I know about when it was introduced, but I would not be surprised to find new guns being built with the rowel hammer much later than we would expect.
Some years ago (around 1998) I bought a Capatain model (with shoulder stock cut) NIB that had a rowel hammer... around 20 years after the spur hammer was introduced...
It seems to me FN tends to use parts on hand without regard for when they were made. If they are like S&W they from time time find stocks of older parts lying around the factory... when they do they use them in current production guns... This results in some anomalies that confuse collectors big time.
FWIW
Chuck
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Post by KDKSAIL on Mar 11, 2018 23:40:00 GMT -5
The exact date that the 'ring/rowel' hammer was replaced by the 'spur' hammer on standard production pistols (military,police & civilian) is probably un-knowable. The 'ring' hammer remained in use well into 1970-1971 on both the 'T' series pistols and the overlapping 'C' series pistols, before being replaced by the 'spur' hammer sometime (??) during the early-70's. I suppose that when the old 'ring' hammer parts bins at the factory were finally empty (??), 'spur' hammers became 'standard' OEM....or not. My '..guess..' is that when the 'Practical' model came out, it was because they'd found a few misplaced 'ring' hammer parts bins in a long forgotten back corner of the factory and decided to use them up. When those lost parts bins were empty; the 'Practical' was discontinued (??). Sounds NUTZ but if anyone has a better explanation...I ain't heard it yet.
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Post by crewcabdad on Feb 15, 2019 21:32:45 GMT -5
The "Photographic Glossary of High Power Discussion Terms" is very informative. Keep it up!!
My history: My original BHP was purchased in the summer of 1972 from a sporting goods store in my home town in south central Minnesota. I remember walking into the local sporting goods store and making a beeline straight to the pistol display case in the back of the store. I remember looking at the 1911s in the display case and holding a couple of them, but quite frankly I didn't like the way they felt in my hand. The moment I wrapped my hand around the grip on the BHP I knew I had found the pistol I would take home. It didn't matter to me that I knew exactly "zilch" about the Hi Power or the 9mm round. Since then I've bought and sold numerous pistols and long guns, but I still have the BHP. It still feels just as good in my hand today as it did on that bright summer day in 1972. About five years ago I purchased an M90, which I tend to shoot more most of the time just to minimize the wear and tear on the BHP.
Note of interest: at the time of purchase the M90 was brand new, but it did not come with a magazine safety, which was a nice surprise.
Regards
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