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Post by HRFunk on Jun 21, 2017 8:40:25 GMT -5
Good Morning! New fun video link below. In this one, I'm comparing/contrasting the classic 1911 to the Beretta M9 that replaced it. Take a look, then let me know what YOU think. Did they get it right? youtu.be/8sCsXCZl9zAHoward |
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Post by sistema1927 on Jun 21, 2017 9:24:15 GMT -5
"Long in the tooth". Absolutely. the 1911's that I drew out of various arms rooms in the early 80's were in very poor shape.
This was only one of several changes in the military that are directly attributable to the election of Ronald Reagan in 1980. During his tenure we saw the transition from the 1911 to the M9, the Jeep to the Hummvee, the M60 MBT to the M1A, the UH-1 to the Blackhawk, and many others. Old equipment went to the bone yard and new equipment took its place.
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Post by sistema1927 on Jun 21, 2017 9:29:38 GMT -5
Additionally, your 1911 (Remington with what looks like a custom bushing) is going to be far ahead in the accuracy department compared to any 1911 that I handled in military service.
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Post by HRFunk on Jun 21, 2017 9:29:40 GMT -5
"Long in the tooth". Absolutely. the 1911's that I drew out of various arms rooms in the early 80's were in very poor shape. This was only one of several changes in the military that are directly attributable to the election of Ronald Reagan in 1980. During his tenure we saw the transition from the 1911 to the M9, the Jeep to the Hummvee, the M60 MBT to the M1A, the UH-1 to the Blackhawk, and many others. Old equipment went to the bone yard and new equipment took its place. OR, it came to us in the Marine Corps! Most of the equipment we used in those days was the same as had been used in Vietnam. As I mentioned in the video, we were still using the 1911A1 in 1991 when I got recalled for Desert Storm. |
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Post by HRFunk on Jun 21, 2017 9:30:58 GMT -5
Additionally, your 1911 (Remington with what looks like a custom bushing) is going to be far ahead in the accuracy department compared to any 1911 that I handled in military service. Point taken. If/When the CMP ever gets around to selling 1911s, maybe I'll update this video. Howard |
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Post by Carolinaman on Jun 21, 2017 9:38:13 GMT -5
Good Morning Howard! Excellent video! I am not quite sure if the USMC thought the government ever got it "right" with the signing of a contract with Colt for the 1911 for the production of some 2,000 units for the USMC expeditionary forces/SPEC OPS folks. (Whatever, happened to that?). Your explanation of comparison and contrast to the two weapons is very, very informative and interesting.  Of course, in your video the 1911 made the "hit" on the push pin.... I'd ask my son who served in the USMC with tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, but he was never issued a side arm.... Howard, great video! Best, Chris |
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Post by HRFunk on Jun 21, 2017 9:46:31 GMT -5
Good Morning Howard! Excellent video! I am not quite sure if the USMC thought the government ever got it "right" with the signing of a contract with Colt for the 1911 for the production of some 2,000 units for the USMC expeditionary forces/SPEC OPS folks. (Whatever, happened to that?). Your explanation of comparison and contrast to the two weapons is very, very informative and interesting. Of course, in your video the 1911 made the "hit" on the push pin.... I'd ask my son who served in the USMC with tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, but he was never issued a side arm.... Howard, great video! Best, Chris Thanks Chris! For a real debate from the USMC perspective, I'm planning a future video on the transition from the M14 to the M16. There were Staff NCO's in the Corps while I was in who were still irate over that one! Howard |
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Post by Carolinaman on Jun 21, 2017 9:56:39 GMT -5
Hello Howard,
In contrast to what has been posted about the experiences that folks have had with "older/surplus" 1911's, I honestly think that your use of the Remington and putting up against the M-9 are very valid. I don't suspect that you would get the same results with a worn out Ithaca from WWII. I believe that most of USMC MEU 1911's have been rebuilt up in Quantico, VA and finally Quantico's inventory of receivers, slides had reached a low point. Hence, the contract with Colt... Did I get that right?
Keep up the excellent videos sir!
Best,
Chris
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Post by HRFunk on Jun 22, 2017 10:30:10 GMT -5
Youtube is a strange animal. I hoped this video might get somewhere between 500 and 1000 views in its first week. That would be a better than average debut for one of my videos. Instead, it had over 2000 views in 24 hours; making it one of my two or three best debuts ever! Thanks for all your support guys!
Howard
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Post by che on Jun 27, 2017 23:57:40 GMT -5
Youtube is a strange animal. I hoped this video might get somewhere between 500 and 1000 views in its first week. That would be a better than average debut for one of my videos. Instead, it had over 2000 views in 24 hours; making it one of my two or three best debuts ever! Thanks for all your support guys! Howard Howard, I love your videos. Very well done and thank you for sharing. |
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Post by noglock on Jul 1, 2017 6:58:25 GMT -5
Youtube is a strange animal. I hoped this video might get somewhere between 500 and 1000 views in its first week. That would be a better than average debut for one of my videos. Instead, it had over 2000 views in 24 hours; making it one of my two or three best debuts ever! Thanks for all your support guys! Howard The number of views may be related to the experiences of the sandbox soldiers. The firearms aficionados among them have been big on buying 1911s. |
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Post by trooper on Jul 7, 2017 18:29:30 GMT -5
Having had three decades of military and LEO experience with the 1911, as well as thousands of rounds fired through Beretta 92s over the last three or so years, yes, they made the right choice.
Howard, great vids on Youtube.
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Post by rock185 on Jul 20, 2017 13:31:38 GMT -5
Enjoyed the video HR. At the time, I was not supportive of the military adopting the Beretta. Having been in Armor during Vietnam, I was issued the 1911A1. It was old and worn and rattly, but always worked with the inexhaustible supply of military ball I had access to. Soon after the military adopted the Beretta, I bought my own to see what it was all about. Though the grip seemed uncomfortably large to me, my Italian made version was beautifully fitted and finished. I set about seeing what ammo it would choke on. I was unsuccessful. The gun functioned flawlessly with any and all ammo I tried. Overall, due to safety, capacity, etc, I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that the military made the right decision.
BTW, after trying the Beretta, I purchased a new SIG P226 to evaluate the runner-up in the selection process. After using the SIG for awhile, I came to prefer the SIG and wished our military had gone with that pistol. I had the option to carry the Beretta LE, but chose to carry the SIG for several years. Years later, I had the option of carrying a 1911 type pistol on duty. My low-capacity 7+1 Colt performed flawlessly too. All three are fine pistols.
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Post by CXM on Jul 20, 2017 15:42:55 GMT -5
Anyone interested in the procurement of the Beretta for the military should do a search on the law suits that followed the award of the pistol contract to Beretta.
The Court basically held that both SIG and S&W outperformed the Beretta... but even so the Army had the right to choose weapon they wanted which everyone pretty well understood was a quid pro quo to Italy for missile bases in Italy...
FWIW
Chuck
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Post by noglock on Jul 20, 2017 17:15:33 GMT -5
Thanks CXM! I would like to see you upgraded to Outstanding Subject Matter Expert and Administrator. I think the Beretta has proven itself as an excellent secondary weapon in the peace time environment prior to the sandbox exercises.
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Of course, in your video the 1911 made the "hit" on the push pin.... 
